Umbungo1874 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 That isn't a matter of fact at all. A club can easily separate its founding from its establishment as a PLC. Your fellow fan demonstrated this very well: So when was your club founded? 1888? 1897? 1994? Answers such as "Oh we were never insolvent/liquidated" don't count. Your club has had at least 3 corporate entities yet traces its roots back to 1888. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwiznaeme Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) They had 14 days to submit their application for SFA membership from the time they were accepted into the SFL. If they don't have it accepted by Friday the Ramsdens Cup game will be postponed. That's all, I'm afraid.. http://www.scottishf...D=1&newsID=9495 http://scotslawthoug...o-scotland-ltd/ 16. REGISTRATION WITH SFA A CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP A Member or Associate Member who is not already a full or associate member of the Scottish Football Association must make application to become a full or associate member of the Scottish Football Association (as the case may be) within fourteen (14) days of being admitted to membership of the League failing which its membership of the League will lapse, and in the event that the application is unsuccessful, its membership will lapse upon that decision being intimated to the League.The first hurdle of actually making the application has been overcome. However the SFA still has to approve the application for transfer of membership. Membership is a separate issue from the licence, and as the excellent Auldheid has pointed out for some time seems to be an issue which causes the SFA some difficulties. I will come back to that. As we know, the application made is for the transfer of membership in the SFA from Rangers Football Club PLC to Sevco Scotland Ltd. Under Article 14 of the SFA Articles, the SFA Board has the discretion to grant or refuse such an application on such terms and conditions as it thinks fit. Edited July 23, 2012 by Itwiznaeme 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm not even sure that Sevco Scotland Ltd. have even applied to be members of the SFL yet. I understand a vote was taken to allow them entry as members, but I don't ever recall hearing that Sevco Scotland Ltd. had actually made an application. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) I think the point is that: provided Rangers have applied to SFA to transfer membership (which evidently they have), and SFA has not yet officially rejected that application, then they're still 'pending' in the SFL membership stakes as regards achieving full/associate membership. However, they can't play an organised game, meaning they can't play any SFL matches. In theory SFA could sit on the application for months... however there'd have to come a point when either they said "No" or SFL said "this is ridiculous, yer oot". But they can reach the weekend without successfuly transferring the SFA membership and still have their SFL membership intact. I'm not even sure that Sevco Scotland Ltd. have even applied to be members of the SFL yet. I understand a vote was taken to allow them entry as members, but I don't ever recall hearing that Sevco Scotland Ltd. had actually made an application. Whether or not they applied to SFL (which I'm pretty sure they did) they are SFL members. Scotland on Sunday said they'd paid their £1,200 application and £1,200 entry fees. This is what the SFA membership issue is going to make or break - meeting the SFA full/associate requirement SFL demands. Edited July 23, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwiznaeme Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) That isn't a matter of fact at all. A club can easily separate its founding from its establishment as a PLC. Your fellow fan demonstrated this very well: So when was your club founded? 1888? 1897? 1994? Answers such as "Oh we were never insolvent/liquidated" don't count. Your club has had at least 3 corporate entities yet traces its roots back to 1888. The fact that you are illiterate and have great difficulty understanding/comprehending big words and simple facts is your problem not mine. Feel free to print this off and show it to your friends. Indeed! Name & Registered Office: CELTIC PLC CELTIC PARK GLASGOW G40 3RE Company No. SC003487 Status: Active Date of Incorporation: 12/04/1897 Country of Origin: United Kingdom Company Type: Public Limited Company Nature of Business (SIC): 93110 - Operation of sports facilities 93120 - Activities of sport clubs Accounting Reference Date: 30/06 Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2011 (GROUP) Next Accounts Due: 31/12/2012 Last Return Made Up To: 31/12/2011 Next Return Due: 28/01/2013 Last Members List: 31/12/2010 Last Bulk Shareholders List: 31/12/2010 Previous Names: Date of change Previous Name 15/12/1994 The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Ltd Celtic Football Club - has existed since 1888, and was incorporated as a company in 1897, under the name "The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited". It changed its name to "Celtic plc" in 1994, when it became a public limited company, in "one of the most successful stock market flotations in British financial history". Celtic have not entered administration during their history and have not faced LIQUIDATION. Edited July 23, 2012 by Itwiznaeme 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 http://www.scottishf...D=1&newsID=9495 http://scotslawthoug...o-scotland-ltd/ There's no deadline for the SFA to accept or refuse an application for membership after they've received it. Rangers, or whatever you want to call it ,won't be able to play until they have membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 There's no deadline for the SFA to accept or refuse an application for membership after they've received it. Rangers, or whatever you want to call it ,won't be able to play until they have membership. Hopefully sent by Royal Mails finest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVJ80MQLEuk&feature=related 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 There's no deadline for the SFA to accept or refuse an application for membership after they've received it. Rangers, or whatever you want to call it ,won't be able to play until they have membership. Did Cockwomble not say something like "we'll work around the membership issue"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I think some people are getting a bit too carried away about the significance of Friday. Some saying it's the 'deadline to end all deadlines'. It's clear it isn't, to the point where it's almost an insignificance to all but Brechin, 'Rangers' and Ramsdens. When the league season kicks off, I think 'Rangers' will be kicking off on the same weekend. I still think we've 'won' and the posturing is all but complete. I'm just looking forward to seeing some football again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 With respect, that's entirely the way you want to see it as a Celtic fan. In three years time, or whatever, the Celtic vs Rangers game will still have the same importance. There's no way anyone's going to refer to Celtic vs The Rangers, surely? the newco is not rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 the newco is not rangers Currently. If it exists going forward it's going to be known by all and sundry as 'Rangers' and if it exists by taking-on the existing SFA membership then it's almost certainly going to officially be Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwiznaeme Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Currently. If it exists going forward it's going to be known by all and sundry as 'Rangers' and if it exists by taking-on the existing SFA membership then it's almost certainly going to officially be Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huistrinho Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I think some people are getting a bit too carried away about the significance of Friday. Some saying it's the 'deadline to end all deadlines'. It's clear it isn't, to the point where it's almost an insignificance to all but Brechin, 'Rangers' and Ramsdens. When the league season kicks off, I think 'Rangers' will be kicking off on the same weekend. I still think we've 'won' and the posturing is all but complete. I'm just looking forward to seeing some football again. Hear, hear - I think we all are. This thread spawned an awful lot of pages today for a 5 month old news story that hasn't moved at all in the past 24 hours. I think you're right about Friday: it's as much the 'deadline to end all deadlines' as every other deadline before it has been. It would be nice to think everything can be resolved in the next 96 hours though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Hear, hear - I think we all are. This thread spawned an awful lot of pages today for a 5 month old news story that hasn't moved at all in the past 24 hours. I think you're right about Friday: it's as much the 'deadline to end all deadlines' as every other deadline before it has been. It would be nice to think everything can be resolved in the next 96 hours though. Agreed. Not only is it unfair on their opponents (particularly Brechin with it being their home tie), and potentially edges into "holding-up the cup" territory, but it has to get resolved sooner or later. If we've spanned almost 2 weeks without agreement being reached, then obviously the odds continue to increase that it'll never be reached in the following X weeks either. And in the event it isn't reached then SFL has another headache, given Dundee has left... would it play SFL3 with 9? Or would it look for a late replacement entrant? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Currently. If it exists going forward it's going to be known by all and sundry as 'Rangers' and if it exists by taking-on the existing SFA membership then it's almost certainly going to officially be Rangers. It will be Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Currently. If it exists going forward it's going to be known by all and sundry as 'Rangers' and if it exists by taking-on the existing SFA membership then it's almost certainly going to officially be Rangers. You can call them whatever you like, but forever more they'll be known as the team that were forcibly closed down for tax evasion on a massive scale and the only reason that there's any sort of clone masquerading as TCFKAR is because some shyster bought the dead clubs assets and is trying to pass them off as "the real mccoy" to the masses. Edited July 23, 2012 by blanco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 RangersMedia TransferWatch! James McFadden is too much of a "*****" to play for Rangers David Goodwillie grew up a Rangers fan and is desperate to join them Kevin Kyle isn't good enough to play for Rangers Lee McCulloch will turn down £15 grand a week and Charles Green will turn down £750k because "Big Jigs a Rangers Man" Ian Black will be unveiled tomorrow Dean Shiels will sign for Rangers as his brother was killed by the IRA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) It will be Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc. Aye, and I'm sure that's how they'll be referred to by newspapers + TV stations, regarded by the footballing authorities, and referred to by 99% of the population ... Are you going to see us play Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc. on Saturday? SFL3 FT: Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc. 2-3 Berwick Rangers It must be almost 10yrs since we played Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc.? Mr Jones received a long-service award from Sevco Scotland Ltd. t/a 'The Rangers Football Club', using the membership which was previously held by the now defunct The Rangers Football Club plc. Ultimately, if football authorities and media accept the transfer as proof of continuation, they'll be seen as a continuation in most/all official and public circles. Edited July 23, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huistrinho Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) And in the event it isn't reached then SFL has another headache, given Dundee has left... would it play SFL3 with 9? Or would it look for a late replacement entrant? Well, if no agreement is reached I think it is only right that Rangers are removed from the cup, and Brechin given a bye into the next round (of course, both clubs may have a different view for financial reasons). As for the league, a couple of postponements wouldn't be the end of the world, and I fully expect something to be agreed eventually - having no Rangers at all is the worst outcome from the point of view of all the parties involved. In the unlikely event that no agreement can be reached I would say that a 9 team league is much more likely than looking for a late replacement, which would have a knock on effect to the league from which the replacement is sourced. Edited July 23, 2012 by Huistrinho 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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