Bendarroch Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm struggling to think of a singularly more embarrassing episode if I'm honest. What would you put forward? Take a guess. That's a common enough occurrence on P&P when facts aren't convenient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Take a guess. That's a common enough occurrence on P&P when facts aren't convenient. Nope. If you don't want to elaborate then fair enough. I honestly can't think of another incident on this scale though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Can't think of one either. Looking forward to hear his examples. Any guesses? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Any guesses? Honestly can't think of any :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Honestly can't think of any :-) Me neither. He appears to have gone now any way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Me neither. He appears to have gone now any way. There's a surprise... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I fear season ticket sales might only be sixteen or seventeen times those of St integrity. And yet St Integrity are in the SPL, why is that ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Me neither. He appears to have gone now any way. Not at all Insomniacs loyal. The guessing's not going well I see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendarroch Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 And yet St Integrity are in the SPL, why is that ? Oh dear - is there no end to the tediously redundant questions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Honestly can't think of any :-) I can't think of anything that comes close to be honest. I can think of several humiliating performances on the field, but they were honest and we are talking about a sport here, where outcomes are meant to be uncertain. I can also think of tragedy and great sadness off the field. In terms of embarrassment though, no he's got me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Oh dear - is there no end to the tediously redundant questions? It wasn't really a question it was Socratic Irony. Which is a totally different type of irony to that used by you in your reply. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losetex Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 get that money to rangers u stingy b*****ds, even i in fekin bosnia know scottish banks are loaded 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losetex Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 get that money to rangers u stingy b*****ds, even i in fekin bosnia know scottish banks are loaded 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huckleberry Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 As a so called institution who should be leading by example, Rangers FC, failed Ra peepel. As a pillar of Scottish Protestant virtue and values, again they let the nation down. To not having paid their just and lawful dues for a over a decade is nothing short of a national scandal and one we all hope will result in long jail terms for the guilty parties. The lies and sorry excuses from prominent members of the Established Institution is cringeworthly in the extreme. These people are nothing better than wilfully perjured individuals who are Scotlands true shame. The best thing that could happen to this sorry excuse of a football club is to completely fold and never shame the Scottish nation ever again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK Col Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Don't feed the troll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boereseun Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I have to give some credit to Bendarroch and Forever Blue in particular for their contribution to this thread since it became safe for those who support Rangers to raise their heads above the parapet and kid on everything was the same as it had always been because a team of some description is playing at Ibrox again. But those who can look from afar know that the landscape will never be the same for many years to come. Rangers - followed by those charged with running football in this country - have provoked the single most embarassing episode in the history of Scottish football. A club that was so big it already dwarfed every single club in the country bar one spent £millions and £millions to prove themselves better than that other club. We will know soon enough whether they spent money improperly over a sustained period. The view of HMRC is that they certainly did. The paperwork seen by the BBC suggests that they did. And, even if they didn't, all paperwork was not submitted to the SFA so a breach occurred - the sort of breach which in an isolated case would see a team in bother (see recent Scottish Cup cases). Rangers fans will blame juan guy. They lapped up the "off the radar" stuff. They refused to believe what was staring them in the face even when it was staring them in the face (Vanguard Bears?). For years they demanded that someone else hurl money into their club so they could lord it over Celtic - never mind the rest. "WATP" - they expected nothing less than to be Simply the Best. Rangers FC left a trail of debt as long as your arm behind them. Still to be quantified but comfortably greater than anything Scottish football is ever likely to see again. To be fair to Rangers supporters, nobody saw it coming. The authorities were hopelessly ill-prepared for something seismic like this. When it happened they collectively shat themselves. If it hadn't been for the diddy supporters rocking up to their chairmen and getting them tellt, Rangers would be in the SPL. The desperation shown by those leading the game can offer no confidence that, if found guilty, Rangers will receive any meaningful punishment. This will give succour to the Bendarrochs, Forever Blues and all on Rangers Media that they are too big to receive a penalty that fits their misdemeanours. No wonder they think they are the people. It would be helpful if the football authorities made a clear statement on this current version of Rangers. Are they the same club, are they an 1872 continuation? Are the authorities content to separate club and company - bearing in mind the facts which underpin the club/company relationship? Without a clear, independent statement (and possibly even with one) there will be years and years of "We are Rangers" ... "No you're no'". It will be thrilling stuff - we've seen evidence of that since the start of the season. One way or another, this will finally be resolved. But the game will take years and years to recover. Not in terms of finance - that will resolve pretty quickly. The spirit of the game in Scotland has been wrecked. Those who have watched Rangers stick 2 fingers up at a level of debt which - even when expressed in ratio terms against the size of the club - would have seen others killed off are sick at the sychophantic arse-licking of the SPL and everyone else who "needs a strong Rangers". Rangers fans who are delighted still to have a club are being out-shouted by those who want revenge on their enemies - led of course by Jardine and others in positions of authority at Ibrox including Charles "nobody speaks up for Rangers" Green. That's possibly one of the most ironic elements of this entire episode - they think nobody has fought their corner when half the problems have arisen because people in charge were saying one thing and doing another (aye Stuart Regan ... especially you). When they get back to the SPL - whether 1 year or 3 - there will still be hell to pay. With a £4m tax bill already on the burner, a £9m PAYE shortfall added in, a trail of football debts and a bigger trail of non football related debt they could have been hoyed out. If it turns out that they have in fact serially cheated for 12 years on top of all the other stuff, what case can possibly be made for keeping them. I have no axe to grind with Rangers - I'd feel the same about any other club who went out of their way to defraud on a massive scale. Only one other club could possibly achieve this level right enough. By f**k that's taken some time to ramble through and no doubt the Bears will rip it whilst others cannae be arsed reading it (probably rightly so!). But arguing the rights and wrongs of whether they are the same club misses the point that, if they are, they are an absolute disgrace to the game. And if they are not, then they were a disgrace and those trying to reclaim the name are welcome to it - the name of Rangers will be tainted for generations to come. And the SPL titles that Celtic rack up in the meantime will also be "tainted" in their own way. 2 horse race, 1 horse race - makes no odds to those who are not horses at the race though. very true,The game up here will take years to recover from the disgusting behaviour of one club -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Judging by the poorly thought out and badly written tirade he offered up I wouldn't have thought so. HTG said: "I have no axe to grind with Rangers." That diminutive, contradictory gem was delivered close to the end of a pejorative onslaught that Spiers himself would have been proud of. Albeit written more coherently. HTG also thinks The Rangers 'provoked the single most embarassing episode in the history of Scottish football.' That's conspicuously not true If you were to list a top 5 most embarrassing episodes or a one single embarrassing moment in the history of Scottish football in the SPL forum that would come out top with the majority of people.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I have to give some credit to Bendarroch and Forever Blue in particular for their contribution to this thread since it became safe for those who support Rangers to raise their heads above the parapet and kid on everything was the same as it had always been because a team of some description is playing at Ibrox again. But those who can look from afar know that the landscape will never be the same for many years to come. Rangers - followed by those charged with running football in this country - have provoked the single most embarassing episode in the history of Scottish football. A club that was so big it already dwarfed every single club in the country bar one spent £millions and £millions to prove themselves better than that other club. We will know soon enough whether they spent money improperly over a sustained period. The view of HMRC is that they certainly did. The paperwork seen by the BBC suggests that they did. And, even if they didn't, all paperwork was not submitted to the SFA so a breach occurred - the sort of breach which in an isolated case would see a team in bother (see recent Scottish Cup cases). Rangers fans will blame juan guy. They lapped up the "off the radar" stuff. They refused to believe what was staring them in the face even when it was staring them in the face (Vanguard Bears?). For years they demanded that someone else hurl money into their club so they could lord it over Celtic - never mind the rest. "WATP" - they expected nothing less than to be Simply the Best. Rangers FC left a trail of debt as long as your arm behind them. Still to be quantified but comfortably greater than anything Scottish football is ever likely to see again. To be fair to Rangers supporters, nobody saw it coming. The authorities were hopelessly ill-prepared for something seismic like this. When it happened they collectively shat themselves. If it hadn't been for the diddy supporters rocking up to their chairmen and getting them tellt, Rangers would be in the SPL. The desperation shown by those leading the game can offer no confidence that, if found guilty, Rangers will receive any meaningful punishment. This will give succour to the Bendarrochs, Forever Blues and all on Rangers Media that they are too big to receive a penalty that fits their misdemeanours. No wonder they think they are the people. It would be helpful if the football authorities made a clear statement on this current version of Rangers. Are they the same club, are they an 1872 continuation? Are the authorities content to separate club and company - bearing in mind the facts which underpin the club/company relationship? Without a clear, independent statement (and possibly even with one) there will be years and years of "We are Rangers" ... "No you're no'". It will be thrilling stuff - we've seen evidence of that since the start of the season. One way or another, this will finally be resolved. But the game will take years and years to recover. Not in terms of finance - that will resolve pretty quickly. The spirit of the game in Scotland has been wrecked. Those who have watched Rangers stick 2 fingers up at a level of debt which - even when expressed in ratio terms against the size of the club - would have seen others killed off are sick at the sychophantic arse-licking of the SPL and everyone else who "needs a strong Rangers". Rangers fans who are delighted still to have a club are being out-shouted by those who want revenge on their enemies - led of course by Jardine and others in positions of authority at Ibrox including Charles "nobody speaks up for Rangers" Green. That's possibly one of the most ironic elements of this entire episode - they think nobody has fought their corner when half the problems have arisen because people in charge were saying one thing and doing another (aye Stuart Regan ... especially you). When they get back to the SPL - whether 1 year or 3 - there will still be hell to pay. With a £4m tax bill already on the burner, a £9m PAYE shortfall added in, a trail of football debts and a bigger trail of non football related debt they could have been hoyed out. If it turns out that they have in fact serially cheated for 12 years on top of all the other stuff, what case can possibly be made for keeping them. I have no axe to grind with Rangers - I'd feel the same about any other club who went out of their way to defraud on a massive scale. Only one other club could possibly achieve this level right enough. By f**k that's taken some time to ramble through and no doubt the Bears will rip it whilst others cannae be arsed reading it (probably rightly so!). But arguing the rights and wrongs of whether they are the same club misses the point that, if they are, they are an absolute disgrace to the game. And if they are not, then they were a disgrace and those trying to reclaim the name are welcome to it - the name of Rangers will be tainted for generations to come. And the SPL titles that Celtic rack up in the meantime will also be "tainted" in their own way. 2 horse race, 1 horse race - makes no odds to those who are not horses at the race though. ^^^ This ...... But, of course, 'they are Rangers, they don't care' and there in lies the problem. We all assumed it was just a slogan..... turns out it's their ethos for life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 If you were to list a top 5 most embarrassing episodes or a one single embarrassing moment in the history of Scottish football in the SPL forum that would come out top with the majority of people.. The way in which Caledonian FC were pushed into merging with Inverness Thistle in order to gain a place in the Scottish Football League, then the Rangers/Sevco thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I thought the rocket who wanted to rewrite the history on the war-dead was pretty out there - but, your mince is close to being every bit as stupid and batshit crazy. Tea lady at Ibrox to lose job as sectarian exploitation is brought to it's knees by a St Mirren fan on a fitba forum. Your former club's inability (or rather won't pay as opposed to can't pay) to pay both debts and taxes had contributed to the recession/ banking crisis which would have had knock on effects on employment in this country and still continues to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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