Ken Fitlike Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 109 years more history than the current winners of the SPFL Championship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Was going to argue a point but none here, Oh well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Was going to argue a point but none here, Oh well. You've got a point there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 You've got a point there. Well I'm sure even you agree it's a lot of meaningless nonsense being spouted. If not, you don't deserve that 'Low' avatar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 There's nowhere else I can go with this: I've pointed out where you went wrong, in that you mistook the cardigan's quote as referring to the wrong 'side'. You're obviously unable to process this monumentally clear fact, so I'm not going to engage any more with you on this, you're incapable of adult discussion. He can manage it on a good day, but what he really cannot do, is admit to making a bit of an arse of something, even if that something is pretty tiny and insignificant in the scheme of things. It makes him look so foolish and childish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) He can manage it on a good day, but what he really cannot do, is admit to making a bit of an arse of something, even if that something is pretty tiny and insignificant in the scheme of things. It makes him look so foolish and childish. As one of one of the most successful Scottish Football Managers of all time....and you...a guy on the net....I reckon he sleeps well. Edited April 14, 2016 by Solitaire 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Right, that's the football done for tonight. Time for more taxing issues. Big story on the way.... According to Mr "Wealth Off The Radar" on twitter Is this the MSM using the usual tactic when us Diddies are due to play a big game against Celtic, this time trying to unsettle them against their beloved Sevco or is there a story brewing..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 As one of one of the most successful Scottish Football Managers of all time....and you...a guy on the net....I reckon he sleeps well. I was referring to Tedi. You don't read well, do you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Thankfully she's gone for now. I think it will be a few days before she's built her strength up for another flurry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I was referring to Tedi. You don't read well, do you? I thought it was rather a bizarre post myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Solitaire's previous meltdown https://youtu.be/uJjkAPqsKzw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 The Solitaire Skitter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 As one of one of the most successful Scottish Football Managers of all time....and you...a guy on the net....I reckon he sleeps well. You have experience of being a football manager? Switching off isn't made easier the more trophies you win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Is Solitaire related to Nacho? His Sister...and Wife. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Is Solitaire related to Nacho? Most Rangers fans are related to each other. They all have that DNA the rest of us don't, you know the winning one with that gene. Edited April 15, 2016 by CityDave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 How much will the The Rangers have to borrow for their war chest next season ? Oh and Solitaire Isn't Warburton going to walk if he doesn't get money for players. Rangers have 14 of their first team signed up for next season. They are taking a risk by having so many players unproven at Premiership level on contracts over a year, this is not very flexible if they are not up to it or want away they will be stuck taking up space preventing a better player from joining. Some players work well in the 2nd tier but don't do it in the league above. For a club that is still having to borrow rather than have the income to sustain its very risky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14428941.Old_Firm_Analysis__Is_the_gap_between_Celtic_and_Rangers_as_big_as_Mark_Warburton_suggests_/?ref=mr&lp=8 Old Firm Analysis: Is the gap between Celtic and Rangers as big as Mark Warburton suggests? CANNY SPENDERS: The Rangers management team of David Weir (left) and Mark Warburton have recruited on a tight budget in their first season in charge 3 hrs ago / matthew lindsay Share: 32 comments FOR every five pounds Celtic have spent, Rangers have spent 80p. Just shocking - SDM would never have allowed such a state of affairs...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14428941.Old_Firm_Analysis__Is_the_gap_between_Celtic_and_Rangers_as_big_as_Mark_Warburton_suggests_/?ref=mr&lp=8 "Both Mark Warburton, the Rangers manager, and David Weir, his assistant, said as much as they welcomed the Sky Sports cameras to Auchenhowie earlier this week. Their interviews both contained the same basic line: their Parkhead rivals have, as a result of their involvement in the hugely lucrative Champions League group stages, had far more money to lavish on players than them... ...The hidden message behind the words Warburton and Weir have been peddling is that it is unrealistic to expect their side, for all the success they have enjoyed in the 2015/16 campaign, to compete." Not sure why Warburton should mention budgets with regards to being able to compete − the Bears on here have been falling over themselves to tell us budgets have hee−haw to do with it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Looks like Hector is asking for his money and its not just former Rangers players that are being targeted. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-rangers-heroes-among-football-7758612#Bipy3HhMYjzUikwK.97 Celtic and Rangers heroes among football stars facing financial ruin as HMRC send cash demands over tax avoidance schemes 06:00, 15 Apr 2016 Updated 06:52, 15 Apr 2016 By John Ferguson , Keith Jackson SOME of Scottish football's biggest names are facing the threat of disaster as George Osborne's tough new rules has seen a clampdown on tax avoidance schemes used by the wealthy. SCOTS football stars are facing a fresh threat of financial ruin from the taxman. Cash demands totalling millions have been issued over tax avoidance schemes in a new blow following the Employee Benefit Trusts row surrounding Rangers. The targets of the crippling new demands include some of the biggest names in Scottish football. Recent legislation put in place by Chancellor George Osborne allowed the authorities to re-examine the legality of more than 1000 tax avoidance schemes used by the rich and famous. Many of the schemes had been officially approved by HM Revenue and Customs but a retrospective change in the law means those who used them are now personally liable. And this has led to hundreds of accelerated payment notices being served on former and currentprofessional footballers. The bombshell demands have been dropped on at least three Scotland captains as well as a host of their international teammates. Former big earners from across the Old Firm divide have been targeted, as well as at least one player who is likely to feature in Sunday’s Scottish Cup semi-final between the Glasgow rivals. And a string of current SPFL stars from clubs across the country have been left urgently seeking legal and financial advice after being placed on taxman Hector’s hitlist. The controversial APNs demand full repayment of all disputed amounts. And only once that money has been deposited can the sums involved be subject to appeal. It is understood that hundreds of professional players on both sides of the Border are discussing joining forces to mount a joint legal challenge against the APN demands. One current Scotland player said: “There is a feeling that we are being hung out to dry. “Some of the boys are being hit with demands for sums of seven, eight or nine times what they invested into these schemes. “Letters are coming through effectively saying, ‘You paid £1million into such and such a scheme a couple of years ago. We want £9million into our account right now. Pay up or we’re sending round the debt collectors to start seizing your assets. We’ll argue about the details later.’ “It’s terrifying and a lot of football players from the past and present are in a real state. No one wants to be declared bankrupt but some of the guys might have no other choice.†A number of the schemes at the centre of the probe relate to investments made in the film industry. Down south, legendary Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, ex-Old Trafford defender Rio Ferdinand and former England manager Sven Goran Eriksson are among those facing potential bills for tens of millions of pounds. On Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled that HMRC are entitled to go after investors in one such film scheme, in a case worth a total of £1billion. In 2012, Dave Hartnett, then the head of HMRC, described film schemes as “scams for scumbagsâ€. But one former Scotland international who invested in such a scheme told the Record: “These schemes were approved by the authorities at the time. They were perfectly legal. “But now the rules have been changed and the taxman has effectively gone to war with footballers and celebrities. “They see us as easy targets. These letters are dropping through everyone’s box and they are frightening the life out of some of the boys. “I spoke with one player the other day who got a demand for £80,000. He has until next week to come up with the cash. The guy is in a desperate state. He doesn’t have the money and knows the next step is likely to see him losing his house. “But that’s just a minor example of what’s going on. The guy I’m talking about played at a decent level without ever being a huge earner. “There are plenty of other more high- profile players facing demands for much more than £80,000. I know of one former player who has been hit for £750,000 and who is in complete panic. “There’s no room for negotiation or compromise. It’s all heavy-handed, aggressive tactics from HMRC.†HMRC believe many of the film investment schemes were designed specifically for tax evasion. But another source – one of the most influential men in Scottish football –told the Record: “Some of the guys involved put money into a scheme that helped fund the movie Avatar so we’re talking about bona fide investments. “They were told the tax incentives were perfectly legal. Some of them have letters from HMRC to prove it. “But now the Government have completely moved the goalposts. I’ve spoken with a number of players who are at their wits’ end with worry.†Tax expert Andrew Watters, of accountancy firm Thomas Egger, said: “These guys are probably going to have to cough up this money and, in some cases, that could mean selling houses and things like that. “The big change we have seen in the last couple of years is the introduction of these accelerated payment notices. “At the time a lot of footballers got involved in these film schemes, HMRC didn’t have the power to demand the tax they believe is owed up front. “That meant you could tie the case up in court potentially for several years before anything would have to be handed over. “Now taxpayers can be compelled to deposit the money before fighting their case, with the possibility that it will be returned years down the line if they are successful in court. “If you have a sportsman who was making a lot of money when times were good, but made a couple of bad investments, then they are going to have to find that money. “There is no doubt that this is placing a lot of people who got involved in these film schemes in a lot of bother. “You can make a representation to HMRC to have an APN withdrawn, but if your argument is just that you don’t think you owe the money then HMRC won’t pay much attention to that.†THE Record revealed last month that a host of former Rangers stars could be hit with huge tax bills over Employee Benefit Trusts. Ibrox icons including Barry Ferguson, Sir David Murray, Graeme Souness, Alex McLeish and Kris Boyd could be forced to pay back millions after George Osborne targeted tax dodgers in the Budget. The Chancellor is cracking down on beneficiaries of “disguised remuneration schemes†– of which the EBTs introduced by Murray were a prime example. More than 80 players, officials and staff at Rangers raked in more than£47million from the scheme between 2001 and 2010. Many of the foreign players have since returned to their home countries, which would create difficulties for HMRC in clawing back the cash. Schemes like EBTs were outlawed with the 2011 Finance Act but billions of pounds in unpaid tax remain outstanding. Murray Group, who owned Rangers, argued they were not liable for income tax and National Insurance because the players could have paid the loans back. But the tax authorities say the loans were never going to be repaid and the scheme was a brazen tax dodge. Osborne’s new legislation means that, even if ongoing court action by the taxman fails to prove the EBTs were paid as a top-up to wages, Rangers oldco and the players can expect massive tax demands to pop through their letterboxes when the crackdown comes into force in just three years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Looks like Hector is asking for his money and its not just former Rangers players that are being targeted. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-rangers-heroes-among-football-7758612#Bipy3HhMYjzUikwK.97 Celtic and Rangers heroes among football stars facing financial ruin as HMRC send cash demands over tax avoidance schemes 06:00, 15 Apr 2016 Updated 06:52, 15 Apr 2016 By John Ferguson , Keith Jackson SOME of Scottish football's biggest names are facing the threat of disaster as George Osborne's tough new rules has seen a clampdown on tax avoidance schemes used by the wealthy. SCOTS football stars are facing a fresh threat of financial ruin from the taxman. Cash demands totalling millions have been issued over tax avoidance schemes in a new blow following the Employee Benefit Trusts row surrounding Rangers. The targets of the crippling new demands include some of the biggest names in Scottish football. Recent legislation put in place by Chancellor George Osborne allowed the authorities to re-examine the legality of more than 1000 tax avoidance schemes used by the rich and famous. Many of the schemes had been officially approved by HM Revenue and Customs but a retrospective change in the law means those who used them are now personally liable. And this has led to hundreds of accelerated payment notices being served on former and current professional footballers. The bombshell demands have been dropped on at least three Scotland captains as well as a host of their international teammates. Former big earners from across the Old Firm divide have been targeted, as well as at least one player who is likely to feature in Sunday’s Scottish Cup semi-final between the Glasgow rivals. And a string of current SPFL stars from clubs across the country have been left urgently seeking legal and financial advice after being placed on taxman Hector’s hitlist. The controversial APNs demand full repayment of all disputed amounts. And only once that money has been deposited can the sums involved be subject to appeal. It is understood that hundreds of professional players on both sides of the Border are discussing joining forces to mount a joint legal challenge against the APN demands. One current Scotland player said: “There is a feeling that we are being hung out to dry. “Some of the boys are being hit with demands for sums of seven, eight or nine times what they invested into these schemes. “Letters are coming through effectively saying, ‘You paid £1million into such and such a scheme a couple of years ago. We want £9million into our account right now. Pay up or we’re sending round the debt collectors to start seizing your assets. We’ll argue about the details later.’ “It’s terrifying and a lot of football players from the past and present are in a real state. No one wants to be declared bankrupt but some of the guys might have no other choice.†A number of the schemes at the centre of the probe relate to investments made in the film industry. Down south, legendary Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, ex-Old Trafford defender Rio Ferdinand and former England manager Sven Goran Eriksson are among those facing potential bills for tens of millions of pounds. On Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled that HMRC are entitled to go after investors in one such film scheme, in a case worth a total of £1billion. In 2012, Dave Hartnett, then the head of HMRC, described film schemes as “scams for scumbagsâ€. But one former Scotland international who invested in such a scheme told the Record: “These schemes were approved by the authorities at the time. They were perfectly legal. “But now the rules have been changed and the taxman has effectively gone to war with footballers and celebrities. “They see us as easy targets. These letters are dropping through everyone’s box and they are frightening the life out of some of the boys. “I spoke with one player the other day who got a demand for £80,000. He has until next week to come up with the cash. The guy is in a desperate state. He doesn’t have the money and knows the next step is likely to see him losing his house. “But that’s just a minor example of what’s going on. The guy I’m talking about played at a decent level without ever being a huge earner. “There are plenty of other more high- profile players facing demands for much more than £80,000. I know of one former player who has been hit for £750,000 and who is in complete panic. “There’s no room for negotiation or compromise. It’s all heavy-handed, aggressive tactics from HMRC.†HMRC believe many of the film investment schemes were designed specifically for tax evasion. But another source – one of the most influential men in Scottish football –told the Record: “Some of the guys involved put money into a scheme that helped fund the movie Avatar so we’re talking about bona fide investments. “They were told the tax incentives were perfectly legal. Some of them have letters from HMRC to prove it. “But now the Government have completely moved the goalposts. I’ve spoken with a number of players who are at their wits’ end with worry.†Tax expert Andrew Watters, of accountancy firm Thomas Egger, said: “These guys are probably going to have to cough up this money and, in some cases, that could mean selling houses and things like that. “The big change we have seen in the last couple of years is the introduction of these accelerated payment notices. “At the time a lot of footballers got involved in these film schemes, HMRC didn’t have the power to demand the tax they believe is owed up front. “That meant you could tie the case up in court potentially for several years before anything would have to be handed over. “Now taxpayers can be compelled to deposit the money before fighting their case, with the possibility that it will be returned years down the line if they are successful in court. “If you have a sportsman who was making a lot of money when times were good, but made a couple of bad investments, then they are going to have to find that money. “There is no doubt that this is placing a lot of people who got involved in these film schemes in a lot of bother. “You can make a representation to HMRC to have an APN withdrawn, but if your argument is just that you don’t think you owe the money then HMRC won’t pay much attention to that.†THE Record revealed last month that a host of former Rangers stars could be hit with huge tax bills over Employee Benefit Trusts. Ibrox icons including Barry Ferguson, Sir David Murray, Graeme Souness, Alex McLeish and Kris Boyd could be forced to pay back millions after George Osborne targeted tax dodgers in the Budget. The Chancellor is cracking down on beneficiaries of “disguised remuneration schemes†– of which the EBTs introduced by Murray were a prime example. More than 80 players, officials and staff at Rangers raked in more than £47million from the scheme between 2001 and 2010. Many of the foreign players have since returned to their home countries, which would create difficulties for HMRC in clawing back the cash. Schemes like EBTs were outlawed with the 2011 Finance Act but billions of pounds in unpaid tax remain outstanding. Murray Group, who owned Rangers, argued they were not liable for income tax and National Insurance because the players could have paid the loans back. But the tax authorities say the loans were never going to be repaid and the scheme was a brazen tax dodge. Osborne’s new legislation means that, even if ongoing court action by the taxman fails to prove the EBTs were paid as a top-up to wages, Rangers oldco and the players can expect massive tax demands to pop through their letterboxes when the crackdown comes into force in just three years. It's not really happening. Let's not discuss it until it happens then we can ignore it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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