Nowhereman Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Why is he looking for another job? Seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Seriously? Yes. I don't mean that in a "he shouldn't be applying for other jobs" way. Is he not applying for another job because he wants a new challenge? I.e. the challenge he currently has isn't really one that tickles his fancy, for whatever reason. Or are we saying here that Murray is equally happy to be either St. Mirren or Dumbarton manager come the start of the season? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yes. I don't mean that in a "he shouldn't be applying for other jobs" way. Is he not applying for another job because he wants a new challenge? I.e. the challenge he currently has isn't really one that tickles his fancy, for whatever reason. Or are we saying here that Murray is equally happy to be either St. Mirren or Dumbarton manager come the start of the season? The most obvious reason is that he will want a full time post. We can't give him that. Yes he probably does want a new challenge but that doesn't mean he won't give his all for Dumbarton if he doesn't get that new challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The most obvious reason is that he will want a full time post. We can't give him that. Yes he probably does want a new challenge but that doesn't mean he won't give his all for Dumbarton if he doesn't get that new challenge. If he's unsuccessful this time he may well stay with us and give his all, I can't deny that. But for how long? Until the next full-time vacancy comes up in 2-3 months time and he applies for that? Muzz has made his move and signalled his intentions, that's fine, but it means we need to re-evaluate things. As Frank and BBPF have said, we can be happy with Murray's job here and still acknowledge that it may be the right time for both to part ways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons FC Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The most obvious reason is that he will want a full time post. We can't give him that. Yes he probably does want a new challenge but that doesn't mean he won't give his all for Dumbarton if he doesn't get that new challenge. Absolutely right - there is an awful lot of nonsense being spouted here about Murray's commitment and focus. If any of us apply for a new job and are unsuccessful it doesn't mean we give up at our present job or do a worse job. I am astonished at so many people seemingly wanting Murray out the door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons Fan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Why would a fan of any other club care whether our manager is motivated or not? People have their reasons for thinking this, they don't just dream it up. For myself I heard from a close family member of a player that 'Murray didn't seem that interested'. The fact hes applying for other positions would back that up. Add to that results since the turn of the year and the shambolic state our squad was in with 1 recognised striker. Again I'm not questioning Murray's ability, just his committment to our cause. Which to be honest is my 1 and only concern, and should be the clubs as well. Others have posted that people they have spoken to have said statements to the opposite. The manager hounding players to sign. That would suggest he wants to get on and rebuild. I've heard that he's quite happy being here. As over his playing career his partner put her career on hold while he played. So took a back seat. Now she's focusing on her career and he's taking a back seat and looking after he kids while still doing what he loves Have you never been happy in your Job yet applied for another one? I know many myself included that do for multiple reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Have you never been happy in your Job yet applied for another one? I know many myself included that do for multiple reasons. If your gaffer knew you were applying for other jobs, what would he/she think? Edited to delete subconscious sexism. Edited May 21, 2015 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons Fan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If your gaffer knew you were applying for other jobs, what would he/she think? Edited to delete subconscious sexism. If your asking me directly then they would probably be pretty pissed, considering I've just moved into a new role. If we talking people looking/ applying for other jobs in general then it could be for the follow :- Wanting a new challenge Interested to see if they would be considered Gaining interview experience Leverage to negotiate a better deal I could go on but in short there are many different reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a bankie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Let's get real if my staff show no motivation to improve and become happy to stagnate then I would be worried. I hope he stays but if we become a stepping stone for managers and players then power to us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) If your asking me directly then they would probably be pretty pissed, considering I've just moved into a new role. If we talking people looking/ applying for other jobs in general then it could be for the follow :- Wanting a new challenge Interested to see if they would be considered Gaining interview experience Leverage to negotiate a better deal I could go on but in short there are many different reasons. Well yes, any number of people could have any number of reasons for applying for a job. How many of those apply to Murray? Interested to see if he would be considered - St Mirren invited applicants and would be silly not to interview everyone who did (obviously binning the inevitable CVs from folk who play football manager). Even him getting an interview might not automatically mean he's been considered. Gaining interview experience - I think it's obvious to most that Murray can talk (and walk) a good game, but okay this might be the reason he's applied. Leverage to get a better deal - given that we pushed the boat out to keep him last year and he agreed to a 2 year deal, I doubt that is on the cards this summer. So we're left with Murray wanting a new challenge. Cool, thank you Ian, you've given us an amazing 3 years, good luck to you. We can bring in someone who fancies our challenge. Edited May 21, 2015 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Absolutely right - there is an awful lot of nonsense being spouted here about Murray's commitment and focus. If any of us apply for a new job and are unsuccessful it doesn't mean we give up at our present job or do a worse job. I am astonished at so many people seemingly wanting Murray out the door. I agree. "so and so was talking to so and so" "it was said on Twatter" "a close friend said he's bored, not motivated any more" *repeat ad nauseum* Personally I hope the guy stays with us, if he leaves, good luck to him, he helped transform us and gave players a more professional outlook, introduced healthier eating before & after matches, lead us to a Scottish Cup 1/4final, its been great the past couple of seasons. Reckon some fans need to be careful what they wish for. I mean, who'll replace him??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Tommy Craig. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Tommy Craig. ROBERT WAGNER 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsanorak Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Hopefully all the other championship managers, because that would mean they would n't be committed to their own clubs? If muzz wants to attract/attain a better job it seems obvious that he needs us to succeed too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I fuckin loved those days Some of the away days were absolutely wild. Myself and Moonster freshly turned 18 year old whipper snappers, whoring and touring with our merry band of rogues. I remember a certain trip to Elgin as being the tip of the iceberg. My life has been downhill ever since. The best ever! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Ryan Finnie released by Partick Thistle, would take him back in a second. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny graham Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Ok there seems to be a split on Ian murrays commitment. Well according to his record after 108 games he has a 37.9% win rate and that at a higher level than most preceding dumbarton managers. Most successful manager was tam Carson with a 47.76% win rate but that was at a lower league level. Looking at his success murray must be in the top five all time managers up there with peter mcgowan Jackie Stewart and Billy lamont. Ian I hope you stay but best wishes if you go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons'r'us Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Ok there seems to be a split on Ian murrays commitment. Well according to his record after 108 games he has a 37.9% win rate and that at a higher level than most preceding dumbarton managers. Most successful manager w5as tam Carson with a 47.76% win rate but that was at a lower league level. Looking at his success murray must be in the top five all time managers up there with peter mcgowan Jackie Stewart and Billy lamont. Ian I hope you stay but best wishes if you go. Well said that man and Moonster has clearly lost the plot with his non argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm clearly not the only one with that opinion but I'm happy to accept we may be a minority. We'll see what happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 #teammoonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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