Howlin' Wilf Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 OK, we've all made our differing points on how we got here. What does the club do to change things? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 OK, we've all made our differing points on how we got here. What does the club do to change things? I'll go first then. It might not be the daftest idea to stick with Steve Aitken. We're going to need an experienced league one manager next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The question for me is whether or not we'd be likely to do better than Aitken? Lets be honest, there's not exactly an abundance of good young managers out there who would want to come to a part time club. We could luck out like we did with Murray where the risk of appointing somebody with no experience worked for us. Alternatively we could appoint somebody who simply isnt ready for a manager job. At the other end theres the risk of appointing somebody who's been around the lower leagues and who isnt capable of going any higher. He's made mistakes. It's a massive learning curve going from Stranraer to Dumbarton and we may well suffer from his having to learn. There are still plenty of games left for us to improve and if Livingston can turn things around then why can't we? There was nothing between the 2 sides yesterday beyond some comedy defending for their winner. Are Morton that better a team than we are? Before yesterday's game there was only 3 points in it. Its not looking good right now but lets not consign ourselves to the seaside league just yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I fully agree with bbpf, and wilf, I'd keep aitken, he has 6 players to keep or release due to loans, or out of contract, I'll let him see their replacements or who's kept, at least until the end of January, we all wanted him, now let's get behind him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The question for me is whether or not we'd be likely to do better than Aitken? Lets be honest, there's not exactly an abundance of good young managers out there who would want to come to a part time club. We could luck out like we did with Murray where the risk of appointing somebody with no experience worked for us. Alternatively we could appoint somebody who simply isnt ready for a manager job. At the other end theres the risk of appointing somebody who's been around the lower leagues and who isnt capable of going any higher. He's made mistakes. It's a massive learning curve going from Stranraer to Dumbarton and we may well suffer from his having to learn. There are still plenty of games left for us to improve and if Livingston can turn things around then why can't we? There was nothing between the 2 sides yesterday beyond some comedy defending for their winner. Are Morton that better a team than we are? Before yesterday's game there was only 3 points in it. Its not looking good right now but lets not consign ourselves to the seaside league just yet. I'm with you on this one. I'm deeply concerned at the minute due to some pretty woeful performances but no need to chat about sacking Aitken yet. He's only 11 games into the season. There's a long way to go yet, but performances do need to drastically improve. I'm desperate for things to work out for him, I just hope he has it in his locker to get us out of this deepening hole we're in, that's when we'll find out how good a gaffer he is. If we're staring relegation in the face come February I think we can then start thinking about what the board should do. Right now they need to back their man to the hilt and I'm confident they will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleslie99 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I don't think it matters what aitken does. I reckon the board will stick with him regardless, if we do end up down I still don't think he will get sacked, he has proven himself a good manager in the past and I'm sure he would be confident in coming straight back up. Anyway, less of this relegation chat. We're gonna be in the playoffs............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsanorak Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think Aitken will come good yet, although some of his signings were not and are not good enough. does everyone think all the players are committed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo90 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sacking him, especially this early would be ridiculous. He's signed players with good rep and experience, it's them who aren't performing on the pitch... Aitken picks the team and will try drill some kind of tactics into them, but he canny see the ball out of play for a goal kick or mark players in the box can he? Some people really are large vaginas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayetherock Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 How bad is mark brown? Every week it seems he's at fault for at least 1 goal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Brown. 5. Big disappointment Saunders. 6. Solid Barr. 7. Solid Buchanan. 8. Best signing Docherty. 6. Good crossing, slow Wright.6. Too old, experience Gibson. 7. Lacking confidence Gallagher.6. Like Gibson, promising Routledge. 7. Too similar to Brown S.Brown. 7. Too similar to routledge Cawley. 7. Good, lacking goals Craig. 5. Should be better Lindsay. 8, missed him, look better with Waters. 4. Wasted on the bench Ross. 4, needs game time, Keeper needed, or give Ewings his chance Find an aggy type, or kirky in there alongside Brown or routledge Fleming to number 10 role, find a striker, or give mccallum game time, Any new signings I've missed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayetherock Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Brown. 5. Big disappointment Saunders. 6. Solid Barr. 7. Solid Buchanan. 8. Best signing Docherty. 6. Good crossing, slow Wright.6. Too old, experience Gibson. 7. Lacking confidence Gallagher.6. Like Gibson, promising Routledge. 7. Too similar to Brown S.Brown. 7. Too similar to routledge Cawley. 7. Good, lacking goals Craig. 5. Should be better Lindsay. 8, missed him, look better with Waters. 4. Wasted on the bench Ross. 4, needs game time, Keeper needed, or give Ewings his chance Find an aggy type, or kirky in there alongside Brown or routledge Fleming to number 10 role, find a striker, or give mccallum game time, Any new signings I've missed? Don't think so but u have 2 much time on your hands 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Don't think so but u have 2 much time on your handssays you, storeman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumbartonTheSons Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Any talk of sacking Aitken is ridiculous and massively premature as far as I'm concerned. We've had, overall, a very underwhelming start to the season and find ourselves in a bit of a rut, but Aitken has a good track record with battling against bigger clubs with bigger budgets and thriving, so it's the only way to go at the moment, keeping Aitken. Come Christmas if we're still in the same type of situation because we've not taken points from Raith, Alloa, St. Mirren, or Livingston, then maybe it'd be time for a rethink, but for now, let's stick with Aitken, and, this is where he earns his dosh, let's see how he can turn this around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumbartonTheSons Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm with you on this one. I'm deeply concerned at the minute due to some pretty woeful performances but no need to chat about sacking Aitken yet. He's only 11 games into the season. There's a long way to go yet, but performances do need to drastically improve. I'm desperate for things to work out for him, I just hope he has it in his locker to get us out of this deepening hole we're in, that's when we'll find out how good a gaffer he is. If we're staring relegation in the face come February I think we can then start thinking about what the board should do. Right now they need to back their man to the hilt and I'm confident they will. I agree with all of what you say there, pretty much spot on. What I will say is that for me, the performances don't necessarily need to improve, the results do. If the performances improve and we're still not getting results, it won't mean anything. If we remain dire in our 'on the eye' stuff but grind out a handful of wins over the next 6/8 games, then I can't say it would bother me in the slightest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo90 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 (edited) Brown. 5. Big disappointment Saunders. 6. Solid Barr. 7. Solid Buchanan. 8. Best signing Docherty. 6. Good crossing, slow Wright.6. Too old, experience Gibson. 7. Lacking confidence Gallagher.6. Like Gibson, promising Routledge. 7. Too similar to Brown S.Brown. 7. Too similar to routledge Cawley. 7. Good, lacking goals Craig. 5. Should be better Lindsay. 8, missed him, look better with Waters. 4. Wasted on the bench Ross. 4, needs game time, Keeper needed, or give Ewings his chance Find an aggy type, or kirky in there alongside Brown or routledge Fleming to number 10 role, find a striker, or give mccallum game time, Any new signings I've missed? Too many high marks there.No idea how you'd mark Lindsay an 8... He's only played 3 games and he was garbage in one! Edited November 1, 2015 by Thommo90 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdrockfromtheSon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Just noticed on the DFC website that Andy Mackie has died. He only lost his Daughter, Kirsty, about a year or so ago. RIP Andy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Too many high marks there. No idea how you'd mark Lindsay an 8... He's only played 3 games and he was garbage in one! it's called being optimistic, what game was Lindsay rotten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottylintonstowel Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What Dumbarton need badly is a leader on the park. Someone to shout, exort encourage and lead by example. Andy graham was such a player as was Jim meechan twenty years ago. Maybe Fraser Wright when fit could take that role over but certainly nobody did it yesterday. At times the lads looked like they were on a picnic such was their lethargy. All the players yesterday were good enough but there was no heart or desire to win. It is not new players that we need but a new attitude. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thommo90 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 it's called being optimistic, what game was Lindsay rotten East fife away, whole team was rotten mind you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimistic Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I wasn't there, Morton, hibs, st.mirren?, I think, he was excellent, and considering how long he was out, excellent against Morton again, I felt we were going to win, we started to really control it, I agree with the previous post, that we need a leader, we're too quiet, especially Darren Barr, who is supposedly our captain, and a nish like centre forward, I probably get slated for it, but we've been rotten since he left, gemmill? No way he'd get bullied off the ball, would certainly win plenty headers against most defender's, and can hit a fair shot, and has the experience now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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