Reynard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 If tge polls are correct, we appear to have a problem with the word 'independence' more than anything. We want Holyrood to make all decisions about Scotland which to me is independence, we like the FM and we like the SNP but we have a problem with actually being independent. We just have to try and convert this into yes votes. Off topic, I'm in the weeg today on a works training day, George Square is being dug up. I take it the renovations are going on? That's your problem. Scots don't want it. It look s like we want as much autonomy as we can get but within the union, that has seemed fairly obvious for a generation now. The SNP refused to participate in the original devolution debate and tooka principled stand for independence and nothing else, but they probably missed a trick in trying to extract as many powers as possible at the time and left it to Labour and their hangers on in "civic Scotland" to shape. The SNP have wasted a lot of time over offering a solution to whatever problem is percieved claiming the answer is independence, which Scots simply don't want to countenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 That's your problem. Scots don't want it. It look s like we want as much autonomy as we can get but within the union,. Thing is, when you look at some of the SNP's proposals - currency union and so forth - that's pretty much what they're offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Thing is, when you look at some of the SNP's proposals - currency union and so forth - that's pretty much what they're offering. Absolutely. They seem to be trying to define devo max as far as I can see. This could all have been done without the backdrop of this utter clusterfuck going on at the moment. It will be interesting to see what happens after they lose this referendum, and how much, if anything, remains on the agenda. It has been a completely ham fisted attempt, and a totally divisive one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Id like to see things devolved right down as local as possible anyway. But in the current set up you can see the SNP attempting to gather in as much political influence and power to Holyrood as they possibly can, which is simply centralising a lot of the stuff that used to be done by the big regional councils. And most of us whined that THEY were too big and clunky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Mr Salmond had a net approval rating of -4, the poll said, with 45 per cent of Scots supporting his performance as First Minister and 49 per cent having an “unfavourable” view. Johann Lamont, the Scottish Labour leader, was given a +3 rating but 40 per cent of voters said they had either never heard of her or had no opinion. yowzer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 It appears that the unionists are telling flat out lies about these polling results. I look forward to our poll obsessives being honest enough to point this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 http://brightgreenscotland.org/index.php/2013/09/no-campaign-straight-up-lie-about-lord-ashcroft-indyref-poll/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 yowzer..... It's ridiculous isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Two things i've picked up after a cursory scan: Firstly, Ashcroft seems fixated with the prospect of people who ACTUALLY pay tax paying more tax. He ought to give it a go sometime. Secondly, Johann Lamont more popular than Salmond? Apparently 40% of those polled don't even know who she is ffs! It's a poll I can't take seriously being so hiddeously out of date (four to seven months? seriously!) and so brazenly out to meet an agenda to be farcical. Why release it now though? That's the question..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 So shall we file this one in the laughably ridiculous collection then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Two things i've picked up after a cursory scan: Firstly, Ashcroft seems fixated with the prospect of people who ACTUALLY pay tax paying more tax. He ought to give it a go sometime. Secondly, Johann Lamont more popular than Salmond? Apparently 40% of those polled don't even know who she is ffs! It's a poll I can't take seriously being so hiddeously out of date (four to seven months? seriously!) and so brazenly out to meet an agenda to be farcical. Why release it now though? That's the question..... He doesn't want to pay more tax to politicians to waste. He notes that a large number of Scots feel the same way and fear being punished by the socialists who want to take their money away and give it to workshy filth as well as wasting it on whatever pish they feel like wasting it on. Looks like Scots are maybe not as entirely socialist as our chattering classes pigeon hole them to be. The poll is a poll with a big sample taken over a relatively long period, so whether you like it or don't like it or whatever, its still worth a look. Ashcroft spends a fair bit of his own wedge commissioning these things on a variety of stuff, it seems to be what HE wants to spend some of his money on. Up to him, even if the politicians and their hingers oan that want to part him with as much of his wedge as. possible might bitch whine about it. I'm pretty sure he's one of those filthy unionists as well, lets put hi on the naughty step for not parting with all his money so politicians can waste it as well as wasting it on silly wee opinion polls. Bad man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 So shall we file this one in the laughably ridiculous collection then? I think we have to, out of date and brazenly manipulated data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 So shall we file this one in the laughably ridiculous collection then? Alongside the SNP commissioned one? Yeah, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Affy quiet again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Ashcroft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 The Telegraph, Guardian, and Scotsman are going full hysteria mode over this. One wonders where our Unionists are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 We already know that the Unionists hate the idea of Scotland succeeding. I have to take issue with this. I disagree with this suggestion. In my opinion. it's insulting generalisations like this, along with inferences that unionists must be "quislings" or "stooges" that prevent "Yes" from making inroads into the "No" vote as they would have hoped to. Why would anyone who is a unionist or undecided want to engage with someone and discuss the future of the country if there's a good chance they will be called a traitor to start off with? We all have to live here together after the vote, whatever the outcome. As a follower of this thread, I know there is little hope of it, but wouldn't it be nice if both sides attacked people a bit less and debated the arguments a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I have to take issue with this. I disagree with this suggestion. As a follower of this thread, I know there is little hope of it, but wouldn't it be nice if both sides attacked people a bit less and debated the arguments a bit more? Nothing stopping you debating the arguments. Go ahead. I only call people quislings and stooges if they behave like quislings and stooges, and the Unionist political parties without a doubt do. Take Liberal Democrat North British Director General Michael Moore. He goes all around the world telling people not to invest in Scotland because of uncertainty. Anti-Scottish? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 "Super Poll" shows 65% of Scots against split from their own UK! Better Together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swk1983 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 "Super Poll" shows 65% of Scots against split from their own UK! Better Together. Polls are one thing but as we've seen time and time again it's the votes that count. We'll have to see how many want to remain in the UK then. Either way for me it's a firm YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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