Independence - how would you vote?

[gc_smfc]

""The Times says: “Unionist politicians were gleefully confident that the new figures torpedoed the idea of an oil fund…etc”"

http://drderekbateman.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/morning-rant/

With GLEE!

I would think/hope they are questioning the feesability of succesfully operating an oil fund, rather than saying that an oil fund would be good for Scotland, if it's economically possible.

[AberDon]

Rab C is so wrong about the UK agreeing to a currency union with foreign Scotland.

Smug and crass arrogance from Rab.

UK money will remain in the UK and we would be mad to have somekind currency agreement with a new and selfish non UK Scotland.

If Scotland want separatism,then they'll get it.

The pound would suffer terribly without Scotland's exports.

[DeeGas]

The pound would suffer terribly without Scotland's exports.

Not as much as having the 'rotten apple of Scotland' in the UK cart.

Rab C really ought to get a proper plan B up for you lot.

[Reynard]

The pound would suffer terribly without Scotland's exports.

Why's that then?

[DeeGas]

French style baggette (sold at a local bakers that plays the Koran to customers), with Mackays Scottish jam and Tesco cheapest ground coffee (which is good) for breakfast.

A very British breakfast these days and delicious it is too.

Particularly enjoying the Scottish jam,just incase you lot go weirder than you already are and vote to leave the Union.

[strichener]

The pound would suffer terribly without Scotland's exports.

Why's that then?

Possibly something to do with pension money? Or maybe not, Could you enlighten us?

[Colkitto]

You really have to wonder how much influence Labour's Paul Sinclair has over the media in Scotland? From BBC Scotland and his close links with Boothman, to his cosy friendship with the political editor of the Herald Magnus Gardham.

Both organisations have been anti-independence and anti-SNP for years.

"You're not likely to see the Herald's political editor Magnus Gardham jump on the claims against Sinclair, who the Herald hack enjoys a rather cosy relationship with. Gardham and Sinclair are regularly found in 'Kilderkin', the pub opposite the Scottish Parliament. This usually occurs on Wednesdays and immediately after First Minister's questions on Thursday.

[wirez]

The same John Boothman is Head of News at the BBC and is also in a long term relationship and has 2 kids with this woman -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Deacon

Aye I'm sure party politics never comes up much in his house

She's probably at home waiting with a rolling pin if anything gets broadcast that is anti Labour

[DeeGas]

Deegas' trolling is very boring and mars the thread. However, one good things comes out of it and that is his demonstrable pain. The guy is hurting, big time. Which is pleasing.

Not hurting at all Wolfie,although sadly it figures you might enjoy an Englishman being in pain.

By the way,it really is still up the air concerning what currency an Inde Scotland would use.

Not trolling,just saying it as it is.

The Scottish jam I had at breakfast is of a first class quality.

I only hope I can still enjoy it post Sept 2014,but not to worry because English jam is also tiptop.

Right,if Celtic are playing I wish you a good afternoon and for me it's the Gas v Cod Army show.....

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Here is the debate between Stuart Howie and George Robertson

[carrier bag]

I never knew George was in the SNP.

[wirez]

Videos of the Yes Leith speakers at their packed out event

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2013/10/04/talks-from-yes-leith/

This guys speech will be getting posted on various English based forums where independence supporters are accused of only being driven by anti-English seethe

Also a good Q&A session from the same event......standing room only

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Part 2

Brilliant stuff! to quote Bob Dylan - The times they are a-changin

[NotThePars]

Deegas' trolling is very boring and mars the thread. However, one good things comes out of it and that is his demonstrable pain. The guy is hurting, big time. Which is pleasing.

It is funny to note how riled he is these days. There's tears in every post and furious denial. Like anyone up here's bothered about some bitter middle Englander not buying short bread anymore.

[Big Rider]

DeeGas is anti-scottish.

[carrier bag]

Rab C is so wrong about the UK agreeing to a currency union with foreign Scotland.

Smug and crass arrogance from Rab.

UK money will remain in the UK and we would be mad to have somekind currency agreement with a new and selfish non UK Scotland.

If Scotland want separatism,then they'll get it.

Deegas is Ed Balls?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-balls-not-bluffing-on-currency-1-3127292

ED BALLS has insisted he was not “bluffing” Alex Salmond when he said the rest of the UK would not enter a currency union with independent Scotland if he were to become chancellor.

On a visit to Scotland, the shadow chancellor described the SNP’s plans to be part of a sterlingzone as “utterly economically incoherent”.

Mr Balls travelled to Dunfermline to campaign for Labour in the forthcoming by-election on the same day that the First Minister visited the town to do likewise for the SNP.

The arrival of the two politicians at the same business park saw them air their views on the SNP’s currency plans and the Scottish Government’s recent announcement that it would not follow Labour by introducing an energy price freeze.

At the Lloyds Banking Group premises on the Pitreavie Business Park, Mr Balls was asked about Mr Salmond’s plans to keep the pound after ­independence.

“If Scotland votes for independence, there is absolutely no guarantee at all that Scotland will be able to keep the pound, whatever Alex Salmond says,” Mr Balls said.

“More than that, it would be a very, very difficult negotiation and I find it hard to see how the outcome could be an agreement that works either for an independent Scotland or for the rest of the UK.”

Asked if he meant what he said, Mr Balls replied: “I’m really not bluffing.”

Under the SNP’s scenario, the shadow chancellor said Scotland would be bound by very strict rules made in another country and wondered if the rest of the UK would be willing to indulge Mr Salmond’s plans.

“I think people would look at the huge difficulties of trying to hold together different sovereign nations within the euro and think that has been unstable. It’s been very hard to deal with divergence in the views of national parliaments. I find it really hard to see how you could possibly keep the pound.”

Mr Balls cited the example of Standard Life with a large proportion of its customers south of the Border, arguing that dual regulation of pensions would be “massively onerous”.

“The idea of the pound operating as a sort of parallel currency in Scotland is utterly economically incoherent. It would be massively destabilising. There is no financial institution without a proper regulator and lender of last backing,” Mr Balls added.

“Unless he wants to join the euro, a separate currency is very problematic for a small country like Scotland.

“Alex Salmond is trying to have his cake and eat it and he can’t. I think he is living in a dream world if he thinks that’s going to happen.”

Mr Salmond insisted his plan was feasible as he visited local company Greenfold Systems in the same business park.

Mr Salmond claimed that Mr Balls’s position differed from that outlined by Better Together leader Alistair Darling.

“He [balls] is obviously at great odds with Alistair Darling, who said it [a currency union] was logical and desirable in January of this year,” Mr Salmond said.

“My response is that a sterlingzone is substantially in the interests of – not just Scotland but the rest of the UK as well – and that’s what will prevail.”

On energy policy, Mr Salmond joined his energy minister Fergus Ewing in criticising Labour leader Ed Miliband’s plans for an electricity bill freeze.

Mr Salmond said such a policy would see energy companies put up prices to pre-empt the freeze, would lead to electricity shortages and said the measure would not save families as much money as existing SNP policies.

Despite his criticisms, Mr Salmond said the Scottish Government’s energy commission under the lawyer Robert Armour would examine the policy nonetheless.

Mr Balls, however, attacked the SNP’s position.

“I don’t understand the logic of this – you can vote SNP for higher energy prices.

“The idea that the UK government is not strong enough to deal with large energy companies trying to abuse market power is a ridiculous argument,” Mr Balls said.

[ForzaDundee]

DeeGas is anti-scottish.

He can't be, he eats Scottish jam.

[Big Rider]

As long as we're still part of the union he will. If not he'll hate us even more. Boo hoo,

[ForzaDundee]

As long as we're still part of the union he will. If not he'll hate us even more. Boo hoo,

I think he's taken the whole "jam tomorrow" tactic a bit too literally.

[xbl]

“If Scotland votes for independence, there is absolutely no guarantee at all that Scotland will be able to keep the pound, whatever Alex Salmond says,” Mr Balls said.

“More than that, it would be a very, very difficult negotiation and I find it hard to see how the outcome could be an agreement that works either for an independent Scotland or for the rest of the UK.”

Asked if he meant what he said, Mr Balls replied: “I’m really not bluffing.”

Under the SNP’s scenario, the shadow chancellor said Scotland would be bound by very strict rules made in another country and wondered if the rest of the UK would be willing to indulge Mr Salmond’s plans.

“I think people would look at the huge difficulties of trying to hold together different sovereign nations within the euro and think that has been unstable. It’s been very hard to deal with divergence in the views of national parliaments. I find it really hard to see how you could possibly keep the pound.”

Bluff. Notice how he has NOWHERE said that this will not happen.

[carrier bag]

Also interesting that Ed Balls must be certain of Scotland's place in the EU, given his comments about the euro. All over the place as per normal from the NO camp.