50/50 Winner Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The initiatives relating to young people and gangs has been a great success in Scotland, but is that the odd one out in terms of British cities?I genuinely don't know how much of a rise there's been, and how much is media hype.I don't know about the wider British context either, Glasgow does seem to be the odd one out in the respect that serious money has been invested to tackle the issue through education. This is perhaps a model that London should be following. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/27/why-are-knife-and-gun-offences-on-the-rise-and-who-is-most-at-riskPretty good article that does mention drugs in the equation, but actually leans towards funding cuts in local communities - as the real cause of increased violence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: So you've failed to tackle either of his points, and instead had a personal dig. Interesting approach. The examples you mentioned are farcical, but you already knew that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 [emoji3]Genius. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Would you accept that cannabis use has increased significantly in Britain in the last twenty years? I'd say it was more common in the 70s, but maybe that was just me and the people I was with. There was certainly a better choice and from all over the world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeVanTeeth Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, 50/50 Winner said: Knife crime in Scotland has reduced significantly in recent years, I remember when Glasgow was given the title 'Murder Capital of Europe'. Is this reduction in knife crime synonymous with a reduction in cannabis consumption? I think it may have more to do with the Scottish government investing millions on initiatives like No Knives Better Lives and excellent charities like Medics Against Violence. Where is the 'Murder Capital of Europe' these days? I remember the BBC consistently banging on about it being Glasgow previously, but now seem strangely quiet on the subject. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It’s easier for conservatives to blame the rise in crime on drug use than it is to ascribe it to austerity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50/50 Winner Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Where is the 'Murder Capital of Europe' these days? I remember the BBC consistently banging on about it being Glasgow previously, but now seem strangely quiet on the subject.Probably London, although, Amsterdam might be in with a shout, I've heard lots of weed smoking goes on there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Tommy Nooka said: I suppose weed could also be responsible for Muslim extremism, razor gangs, Ted Bundy, Kid'n'Play and both world wars......you may have a point! Oof, imagine admiring Peter Hitchens? Kid n play, nice reference man, nice reference! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
++Ammo - Airdrie++ Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'd say it was more common in the 70s, but maybe that was just me and the people I was with. There was certainly a better choice and from all over the world. I think there's just as much selection now, more in fact IMO. I wasn't about in the 70's but I know guys that conduct small growing "crops" themselves (usually 6 plants at a time) and they're in contact with a few other boys and they all try and grow different strains and hybrids so every 12 weeks there is potentially 16-20 different strains available within easy reach of me.The real noticeable difference for me is how much harder it is to get decent Hash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 09:30, pandarilla said: Is he wrong? And if so, show me. I don't know if there's been a rise in homicidal violence over the past 20 or so years, and I'm not sure if there's another factor that can be attributed. What I do know is that both hitchens brothers are (were) incredibly intelligent men who rarely put forward a weak argument. I haven't read Hitchens article as I'll be fucked if I'm giving the Mail clicks, so could you summarise what he's saying? Is he asserting that stoned people are more likely to go out and get stabby (with this being supported by the stats) or is he attributing a lot of the deaths to gangs fighting over turf etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: I haven't read Hitchens article as I'll be fucked if I'm giving the Mail clicks, so could you summarise what he's saying? Is he asserting that stoned people are more likely to go out and get stabby (with this being supported by the stats) or is he attributing a lot of the deaths to gangs fighting over turf etc? " There is a very good reason why people generally don’t stab each other. Normal, sane humans recoil from the very idea of plunging a sharp blade into a fellow creature, let alone driving it so deep that it is bound to kill. The crime has been rare because nobody wanted to commit it. Yet now we have a significant minority who do not recoil. So what has changed?" "And almost all of those who go out and kill someone with a blade will turn out, once the investigation is over, to be a long-term user of marijuana, no longer wholly sane or wholly civilised. Its widespread use is the only significant social change in this country that correlates with the rise in homicidal violence" Edited March 11, 2019 by Tommy Nooka 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tommy Nooka said: " There is a very good reason why people generally don’t stab each other. Normal, sane humans recoil from the very idea of plunging a sharp blade into a fellow creature, let alone driving it so deep that it is bound to kill. The crime has been rare because nobody wanted to commit it. Yet now we have a significant minority who do not recoil. So what has changed?" "And almost all of those who go out and kill someone with a blade will turn out, once the investigation is over, to be a long-term user of marijuana, no longer wholly sane or wholly civilised. Its widespread use is the only significant social change in this country that correlates with the rise in homicidal violence" Understand that's only a snapshot but its ridiculous to point at cannabis as the cause in the way he has in that last paragraph. I'd also like some figures on the claim that "almost all" murderers smoke cannabis. A list of other things that each of these murderers do will also be handy, for example, do "almost all" of them drink alcohol? There's absolutely nothing about taking cannabis that makes people violent. To link it to violence because a couple of graphs look similar is an extremely lazy and weak argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47609849 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, ICTChris said: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47609849 If I was self-medicating a high-potency drug in general, never mind being mentally ill in the first place, then of course I'd expect it to be a risk in effecting my mental illness. In countries that have a higher rate of marijuana use, the rate of schizophrenia is the same as in countries with lower rates of marijuana use. It doesn't cause schizophrenia but if you have a latent psychosis marijuana can trigger it. If you don't have schizophrenia you're not going to get one from marijuana. Self medicating like he may have done hasn't even been taken into account here. Edited March 21, 2019 by the jambo-rocker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, ICTChris said: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47609849 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33975946 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43141457 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27124357 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpar Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Bought weed for the first time legally yesterday. The store is on Queen St, a major street through Toronto, the windows of the shop are covered, I presume so under 19s can't see whats inside, a little ironic considering a lot of the Province run liquor stores here actually have windows displays. I showed my ID to the security guard at the front door and was shown in to a bright, clean shop, asked at the front desk if I wanted to make an express order or go to the sales floors and look around. I made an express order, they didn't have the strain I was looking for in stock but talked me through alternatives. Then I placed my order for 2 grams (big spender I know!), had my name taken for the order and headed to the back of the store to pay by debit card. Given to two 1 gram pots which I took home in my lunch bag on the subway without even thinking about it. Overall a quick, convenient and safe experience. If they can do it so well in little Canada I'm sure they could easily do it in the UK. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Does all weed smell so fucking minging? I smoked a little in my younger years but avoid it now. When it comes off someone else it's utterly mink 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Making policy to lock up black people is a failure in itself. It might not be a failure to those who want blacks locked up, but to anyone with a brain cell it's been a complete failure.Like many things in the US, monetisation, corporate power and rising inequality have eroded the social utility of many activities. This extends into the correctional system where private jails, catering, security, bondsmen etc. make it an incredibly lucrative industry. Factor in the “Three Strike” rule, a president such as Trump and his business ties and the politicisation of the industry .......can’t see much changing whilst he holds the reins........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Torpar said: Bought weed for the first time legally yesterday. tc etc etc I did similar in San Fransisco last summer - I was not prepared for the strength of their weed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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