Duries Air Freshener Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 25/05/2022 at 09:48, Lex said: Ooft. After all that's happened in the last eight years its STILL 55/45 When you factor in 2014’s opinion polling being generous compared to the actual result, and most undecideds voting No, the actual gap is probably about 15% Separation is undoubtedly a dead duck And who wants a dead duck? Not even it’s mother; she just flies off, depressed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Duries Air Freshener said: When you factor in 2014’s opinion polling being generous compared to the actual result, and most undecideds voting No, the actual gap is probably about 15% Separation is undoubtedly a dead duck And who wants a dead duck? Not even it’s mother; she just flies off, depressed. Entirely different circumstances to 2014. Brexit etc. Separation is alive and well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Entirely different circumstances to 2014. Brexit etc. Separation is alive and well. It’s always odd to hear separatists decrying separation as a bad thing, when they spent years up until 2016 and since telling us how important sovereignty and independence were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: Entirely different circumstances to 2014. Brexit etc. Separation is alive and well. Brexit makes the case for splitting up the country even worse, hence the polling for Yes being so dismal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Brexit makes the case for splitting up the country even worse, hence the polling for Yes being so dismal. I would say the opposite. Separatism gives us an opportunity to re enter the Eurozone. As part of the UK, that is not an option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Brexit makes the case for splitting up the country even worse, hence the polling for Yes being so dismal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: I would say the opposite. Separatism gives us an opportunity to re enter the Eurozone. As part of the UK, that is not an option. In the unlikely event that we were allowed back into the EU, the austerity inflicted upon us would make the Tories look like angels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 39 minutes ago, Antlion said: It’s always odd to hear separatists decrying separation as a bad thing, when they spent years up until 2016 and since telling us how important sovereignty and independence were. It’s not odd at all. The UK is one country whereas the EU is made up of complete different countries with separate languages, customs, history and traditions. Completely different set of circumstances. Even if we were to accept that the UK is made up of 4 countries, they all have so much in common regarding language, history and tradition. Your point is ludicrous. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 25/05/2022 at 15:52, DeeTillEhDeh said: Like the polls that had Yes in the lead it's all pretty meaningless until an actual IndyRef2 campaign starts. We'll see then how soft or hard that No vote is. The only reason Guess make up ground during the campaign was that people hadn’t properly thought about the issue before. Now, thanks to constant Nat agitation, it’s never been out of the public consciousness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: In the unlikely event that we were allowed back into the EU, the austerity inflicted upon us would make the Tories look like angels. The austerity hitting us now is shameful. It won't be any worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: It’s not odd at all. The UK is one country whereas the EU is made up of complete different countries with separate languages, customs, history and traditions. Completely different set of circumstances. Even if we were to accept that the UK is made up of 4 countries, they all have so much in common regarding language, history and tradition. Your point is ludicrous. Pish. Your argument is for more and deeper EU integration, if you’re claiming that’s what works - not the isolationist separation you advocate. Alternatively, you’re arguing for the UK to become the 51st state, given its shared language, history, and traditions with the USA. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, Duries Air Freshener said: The only reason Guess make up ground during the campaign was that people hadn’t properly thought about the issue before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Antlion said: Pish. Your argument is for more and deeper EU integration, if you’re claiming that’s what works - not the isolationist separation you advocate. Alternatively, you’re arguing for the UK to become the 51st state, given its shared language, history, and traditions with the USA. Don't forget about Ireland, what with their shared history and traditions, and their long-standing friendship with the conservative and unionist party. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Duries Air Freshener said: In the unlikely event that we were allowed back into the EU, the austerity inflicted upon us would make the Tories look like angels. Austerity is a Tory policy, one we've been suffering under for quite some time now. Why would an SNP led government do that to its population when it can, as an independent country, increase borrowing and run a deficit to fund public services? There is also the control of defence spending that will allow re-allocation of funds to other areas of the economy as we no longer have to support spending on trident and much of the navy and air force. Joining the EU will lead to increases in trade and funding for areas in Scotland. No longer having to pay for the bloated House of Lords. A welcome saving. Never understood why austerity would suddenly become SNP/Green policy, they're not in favour of that shite. Never have been. Tory policies are not popular up here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said: It’s not odd at all. The UK is one country whereas the EU is made up of complete different countries with separate languages, customs, history and traditions. Completely different set of circumstances. Even if we were to accept that the UK is made up of 4 countries, they all have so much in common regarding language, history and tradition. Your point is ludicrous. I have far more in common with liberal minded socialists in Italy, France or Poland than I have with you. Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950s, yet we keep being governed by them because the English electorate is alien to our way of thinking. On average, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Zern said: Austerity is a Tory policy, one we've been suffering under for quite some time now. Why would an SNP led government do that to its population when it can, as an independent country, increase borrowing and run a deficit to fund public services? There is also the control of defence spending that will allow re-allocation of funds to other areas of the economy as we no longer have to support spending on trident and much of the navy and air force. Joining the EU will lead to increases in trade and funding for areas in Scotland. No longer having to pay for the bloated House of Lords. A welcome saving. Never understood why austerity would suddenly become SNP/Green policy, they're not in favour of that shite. Never have been. Tory policies are not popular up here. Just ask the Greeks how the EU treats it's member states in terms of inflicting austerity upon them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Isnt it jolly fortunate that the profits from skint old Scotlands worthless natural resources were available to be raided by the chancellor today to help with the cost of living crisis? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Zern said: Austerity is a Tory policy, one we've been suffering under for quite some time now. Why would an SNP led government do that to its population when it can, as an independent country, increase borrowing and run a deficit to fund public services? There is also the control of defence spending that will allow re-allocation of funds to other areas of the economy as we no longer have to support spending on trident and much of the navy and air force. Joining the EU will lead to increases in trade and funding for areas in Scotland. No longer having to pay for the bloated House of Lords. A welcome saving. Never understood why austerity would suddenly become SNP/Green policy, they're not in favour of that shite. Never have been. Tory policies are not popular up here. The Growth Commission Under Andrew Wilson reckoned there would need to be austerity in the medium term after independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: The Growth Commission Under Andrew Wilson reckoned there would need to be austerity in the medium term after independence. So austerity with a government that Scotland does vote for, or one that it doesn't, then. May as well take the government it votes for at least. Edited May 26, 2022 by carpetmonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I have far more in common with liberal minded socialists in Italy, France or Poland than I have with you. Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950s, yet we keep being governed by them because the English electorate is alien to our way of thinking. On average, of course. Yes, you and I have fundamental differences in political outlook which is fine as that’s democracy. As I recall we had Labour governments under Atlee, Wilson, Callaghan and Blair Brown which I think Scotland would have voted for. Certainly not me, but we vote as the UK, not as separate countries. That was confirmed in 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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