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[TheScarf]

18 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said:

Most Scots don't.

That’s not how politics works in Scotland. Nationalist parties win the elections up here. 

[Miguel Sanchez]

2 hours ago, Herc said:

That's the 2nd time that video of the American roaster has been posted on this forum this week.

I thought I was hallucinating.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

3 hours ago, Johnny Martin said:

Most Scots don't.

"most
/məʊst/
determiner

determiner: most

the majority of; nearly all of.
"most oranges are sweeter than these"

You're illiterate as well I see.

Edited August 4, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh

[RuMoore]

1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

"most
/məʊst/
determiner

determiner: most

the majority of; nearly all of.
"most oranges are sweeter than these"

You're illiterate as well I see.

Just for clarity do you believe that Scottish citizens that don't vote are not Scottish?

[Zern]

36 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

Just for clarity do you believe that Scottish citizens that don't vote are not Scottish?

Not sure how you get that from wot @DeeTillEhDeh posted.

Pretty sure he's pointing to the overwhelming number of elected MSPs that command the majority in our government. Our MMP system being more democratic and representative, it would suggest that independence is a very current issue.

Under a functioning democracy; this would lead to negotiations between the two governments.

[RuMoore]

6 minutes ago, Zern said:

Not sure how you get that from wot @DeeTillEhDeh posted.

Pretty sure he's pointing to the overwhelming number of elected MSPs that command the majority in our government. Our MMP system being more democratic and representative, it would suggest that independence is a very current issue.

Under a functioning democracy; this would lead to negotiations between the two governments.

I'm sure he is but he's responding to someone saying most Scots don't support the SNP as opposed to the general electorate. 

It's obviously a major issue in Scottish politics but the other poster is objectively correct when he says the majority of Scots don't support the Nationalist parties. 

[Zern]

3 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

I'm sure he is but he's responding to someone saying most Scots don't support the SNP as opposed to the general electorate. 

It's obviously a major issue in Scottish politics but the other poster is objectively correct when he says the majority of Scots don't support the Nationalist parties. 

How do you measure support for parties? Votes appear the most effective way. So the majority of Scots (who expressed an opinion at the last election) support parties in favour of independence. Hence the majority in the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively you could go by membership numbers. How many members does the Scottish Labour Party have? None. There is only the UK Labour Party. Same for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party and the so-called Scottish Lib Dems. Fictional parties with no members, because you cannot join those parties.

 

[lichtgilphead]

46 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

Just for clarity do you believe that Scottish citizens that don't vote are not Scottish?

1) Scottish citizens are not the same as the Scottish electorate. I have English friends that vote SNP & Scottish relations in England that would vote for Indy.

2) It's a legitimate choice not to vote, but anyone who chooses to do so does so in the knowledge that their views will not be taken into account. It's undemocratic to count non-voters as favouring a particular side (It didn't stop the Yoons from fixing the 1979 referendum by this method though)

5 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

I'm sure he is but he's responding to someone saying most Scots don't support the SNP as opposed to the general electorate. 

It's obviously a major issue in Scottish politics but the other poster is objectively correct when he says the majority of Scots don't support the Nationalist parties. 

If you pick and choose your polls, of course.

At the last Holyrood election, the SNP took 40.34% of the regional vote, the Greens took 8.12% and Alba took 1.66%. That's 50.12% of votes cast, before you even begin to count Indy supporting list parties that got less than 1%

As always, you appear to be proved incorrect in your assertions

[GTee]

The YouTuber telling us that everything North of London is terrible.

Cheers. So we should just continue this situation, where everything North of London is terrible.

Clearly he made his way from London up North and noticed people getting whiter, fatter and f**k knows. Probably never been to the UK.

What a dick.

[GTee]

14 minutes ago, GTee said:

The YouTuber telling us that everything North of London is terrible.

Cheers. So we should just continue this situation, where everything North of London is terrible.

Clearly he made his way from London up North and noticed people getting whiter, fatter and f**k knows. Probably never been to the UK.

What a dick.

Cmon lads. A bit of self respect and dignity. Happy for Eton Tory toff millionaires lording it over us is poor form. These c**ts also terrified of losing us scroungers tells you everything.

For the season ahead 

[StellarHibee]

10 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

It's a legitimate choice not to vote, but anyone who chooses to do so does so in the knowledge that their views will not be taken into account.

Unless you vote and your party/side doesn't win, in which case, your views still won't be taken into account. Something RuMoore is likely very familiar with.

[Johnny Martin]

My assertion was that most Scots aren't bothered about rehashing an argument that was settled in 2014.  A poster then said I must be wrong, because we vote independence parties in to power.  I countered this by saying that most Scots don't, which is true.  When determining the attitude of the public, a vote tally is far more accurate than the number of MSPs.

At the last Holyrood election, independence supporting parties got less than 50% of constituency votes.  Going by the list is daft as you've got all the single issue wildcard parties that muddy the waters.

Scots don't want independence - plain and simple.

[StellarHibee]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said:

My assertion was that most Scots aren't bothered about rehashing an argument that was settled in 2014.  A poster then said I must be wrong, because we vote independence parties in to power.  I countered this by saying that most Scots don't, which is true.  When determining the attitude of the public, a vote tally is far more accurate than the number of MSPs.

At the last Holyrood election, independence supporting parties got less than 50% of constituency votes.  Going by the list is daft as you've got all the single issue wildcard parties that muddy the waters.

Scots don't want independence - plain and simple.

Scot's don't want to be governed by the tories either. But we have been for the past 13 years - plain and simple.

[Johnny Martin]

13 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

"most
/məʊst/
determiner

determiner: most

the majority of; nearly all of.
"most oranges are sweeter than these"

You're illiterate as well I see.

Majority just means most i.e. over 50%

MAJORITY | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

majority

noun [ U ]

 

US 

 

 /məˈdʒɔr·ɪ·t̬i, -ˈdʒɑr-/

 

Add to word list 

more than half of a total number or amount; the larger part of something:

A majority of the people voted against the bill to raise school taxes.

Unsure where you got your definition from.

You should really know these things considering you're a teacher?

[welshbairn]

Far more Scots want to be EU members than want to be ruled by Westminster.

[Johnny Martin]

6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Far more Scots want to be EU members than want to be ruled by Westminster.

We aren't ruled by Westminster.

We elect MPs to it, same as the rest of the country.

At the end of the day, Scots voted decisively in 2014 to remain in the Union by an 11% margin.  There is no evidence of a swing to separation since.

Edited August 5, 2023 by Johnny Martin

[Highlandmagar]

Just now, Johnny Martin said:

We aren't ruled by Westminster.

We elect MPs to it, same as the rest of the country.

At the end of the day, Scots voted decisively in 2014 to remain in the Union by an 11% margin.  There is no evidence of a swing to separation since.

Not ruled by Westminster? Jesus! You do live in a Unionist bubble don't you?

[StellarHibee]

15 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said:

We aren't ruled by Westminster.

[RuMoore]

11 hours ago, Zern said:

How do you measure support for parties? Votes appear the most effective way. So the majority of Scots (who expressed an opinion at the last election) support parties in favour of independence. Hence the majority in the Scottish Parliament.

Alternatively you could go by membership numbers. How many members does the Scottish Labour Party have? None. There is only the UK Labour Party. Same for the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party and the so-called Scottish Lib Dems. Fictional parties with no members, because you cannot join those parties.

 

Yeah of course you can move the goalposts if you're that desperate to win a debate on a football forum. If someone doesn't vote then they still exist, by definition they don't support a political party. 

11 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

1) Scottish citizens are not the same as the Scottish electorate. I have English friends that vote SNP & Scottish relations in England that would vote for Indy.

2) It's a legitimate choice not to vote, but anyone who chooses to do so does so in the knowledge that their views will not be taken into account. It's undemocratic to count non-voters as favouring a particular side (It didn't stop the Yoons from fixing the 1979 referendum by this method though)

If you pick and choose your polls, of course.

At the last Holyrood election, the SNP took 40.34% of the regional vote, the Greens took 8.12% and Alba took 1.66%. That's 50.12% of votes cast, before you even begin to count Indy supporting list parties that got less than 1%

As always, you appear to be proved incorrect in your assertions

Again, this is obvious but it's not what was being claimed. The term "Scots" is not synonymous to "the electorate". 

This isn't difficult but when you're struggling with the words feel free to lash out like last time and spend 2 days down voting all my posts, it suits you better. 

1 hour ago, StellarHibee said:

Unless you vote and your party/side doesn't win, in which case, your views still won't be taken into account. Something RuMoore is likely very familiar with.

I have no clue what this means. 

[dirty dingus]

We aren't ruled by Westminster     The blackleg John Martin was mainly known for his hilarious role of playing the clown to be ridiculed by the public. Seems his namesake is following in the footsteps of his hero.