SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 nations and countries don't have to have a parliament to exist, at least Thanks for the explanation Explain to me how Aberdeen or Glasgow could be construed as nations and are therefore comparible to Scotland or the scores of countries that have gained independence in recent decades. Go on, actually do it. Tell me when Glasgow was a country? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Dougal McGuire Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 5/1 is fantastic odds for independence! I started off favouring a NO vote but am completely undecided now and there are many in the same boat. By the time it comes to vote a lot of NO voters will have changed their minds to YES while not many YES voters will change their minds. Pile on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Explain to me how Aberdeen or Glasgow could be construed as nations and are therefore comparible to Scotland or the scores of countries that have gained independence in recent decades. Go on, actually do it. Tell me when Glasgow was a country? People can construe any bit of land they want as a nation, wikipedia's definition of a nation is where people sharea ' common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history.' - you could apply that to Glasgow. A nation isn't a legal term, a state is. Nations have all different sorts of status in the world, some are devolved, some have their own independence, some have none of these things and exist within a larger state. Scotland is just a nation that has, admittedly, got some of the apparatus of a state but isn't one (yet) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 People can construe any bit of land they want as a nation, wikipedia's definition of a nation is where people sharea ' common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history.' - you could apply that to Glasgow. A nation isn't a legal term, a state is. Nations have all different sorts of status in the world, some are devolved, some have their own independence, some have none of these things and exist within a larger state. Scotland is just a nation that has, admittedly, got some of the apparatus of a state but isn't one (yet) Taking away the history, would Ibrox Stadium be a nation, they have all the other attributes, is this what they mean by WATP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 It really must cut deep saying no to your countries political independence. I may be wrong but I think you're suggesting that everyone should vote 'Yes' as a matter of principle ? People who vote 'No' will be voting for what they believe is right for Scotland - it won't make them any less Scottish and it certainly won't make them anti-Scottish ! Voting against what you believe to be right would 'cut deep'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 The idea of not wanting to govern your own country just doesn't make sense to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 The idea of not wanting to govern your own country just doesn't make sense to me. I'm all for independence but I won't vote for it unless I'm happy that everything has been covered and that all eventualities have been considered and addressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 People can construe any bit of land they want as a nation Wow, far out man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunkmedal Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Explain to me how Aberdeen or Glasgow could be construed as nations and are therefore comparible to Scotland or the scores of countries that have gained independence in recent decades. Go on, actually do it. Tell me when Glasgow was a country? Where is the international law which states that a territory can only have a right to self-determination if it's previously been defined as a "nation" beforehand? Don't get me wrong, I don't think Aberdeen should have a referendum on independence and I roll my eyes every time someone up here suggests that. It's usually a front for Weegie bashing more than a genuine sentiment, but there's no fundamental principle at stake here. Most of the internationally recognised states in the Caribbean and the Pacific never met the definition of a nation when they became states. They're states because of political expediency, not because of some democratic principle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlandoblue Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 If 5/1 reflects the chances of a YES victory then that's about the same as Chelsea winning the EPL. Absolutely all to play for and if I was pricing the odds I would go 10/11 Yes 11/10 No Fair comparison as long as there is also a 1/5 fav for the premiership somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Best odds on Yes: 5/1 9/2 Willy Hill 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) How much has Lex bet on a note vote? Edited November 29, 2013 by LinkinFighter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 How much had Lex bet on a note vote? Ye've niver cried efter Lex oan a shure thing...so why wid ye dae it noo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Fair comparison as long as there is also a 1/5 fav for the premiership somewhere. Please remove yourself from P&B Forums (apart from your own gutter)...I watched your ...True Bloo..whatever morons on video and was truly disgusted that fellow Scots could not only espouse vitriolic bile ...yet illustrate total ignorance of their national history (I have evidence of this back when I took a pal of mine round The Culloden Field...he had been of the opinion that Cherlie did a runner...well..he was right in that respect...he conveniently forgets all the murders on the field...and thereafter were..admittedly wearing red-coats (no he probly disnae). ..ach nae point...I'll probly bayonet my laptop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Fair comparison as long as there is also a 1/5 fav for the premiership somewhere. Are you a bit thick? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlandoblue Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Are you a bit thick? Nope. Do you think I am. Do you not understand what I mean ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Nope. Do you think I am. Do you not understand what I mean ? I understand exactly what you mean,that's why I posed my question, do you think 1 in 6 chance A is more/less likely than 1 in 6 chance B? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 5/1 is fantastic odds for independence! I started off favouring a NO vote but am completely undecided now and there are many in the same boat. By the time it comes to vote a lot of NO voters will have changed their minds to YES while not many YES voters will change their minds. Pile on Vote "No" in every single poll you get the chance to, bung some money on a "yes" vote, then vote "yes" on the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 9/2 Willy Hill Deary me, you've made a right c**t of yourself here. Do you understand what the phrase 'best odds' means? It means the best odds available on the market. There was other bookies looking to rip people off by offering 9/2 last week aswell, but i never listed them because they weren't the best odds on the market. If you want to list the worst odds you can do worse than 9/2, betway will give you an overly tight 4/1. On the other hand the worst odds on a no vote are an eye watering 1/9 on with bet victor, but again i never listed them because they aren't the best odds on the market. Here's the updated best odds on the market for your benefit pal. Yes vote - 5/1 ( bet victor, coral ) No vote - 1/5 ( betfair ) To sum it up, after all the debates and bluster over the last week, the odds haven't changed at all. Just like public opinion then. How much has Lex bet on a note vote? Don't gamble mate. Fair comparison as long as there is also a 1/5 fav for the premiership somewhere. No that wouldn't be a fair comparison. Can anyone see the difference between a 2 horse race and a 20 horse race? Which would you rather bet on? This is a 2 possible out come event, not a 20 possible outcome event. The only comparable football bet is a one off league cup tie. Not on the odds of the match, but on the odds of qualifying for the next round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Deary me, you've made a right c**t of yourself here. Do you understand what the phrase 'best odds' means? It means the best odds available on the market. There was other bookies looking to rip people off by offering 9/2 last week aswell, but i never listed them because they weren't the best odds on the market. If you want to list the worst odds you can do worse than 9/2, betway will give you an overly tight 4/1. On the other hand the worst odds on a no vote are an eye watering 1/9 on with bet victor, but again i never listed them because they aren't the best odds on the market. Here's the updated best odds on the market for your benefit pal. Yes vote - 5/1 ( bet victor, coral ) No vote - 1/5 ( betfair ) To sum it up, after all the debates and bluster over the last week, the odds haven't changed at all. Just like public opinion then. Don't gamble mate. No that wouldn't be a fair comparison. Can anyone see the difference between a 2 horse race and a 20 horse race? Which would you rather bet on? This is a 2 possible out come event, not a 20 possible outcome event. The only comparable football bet is a one off league cup tie. Not on the odds of the match, but on the odds of qualifying for the next round. Your best odds in the OP had WH offering 5/1. They're now 9/2. Awkies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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