Colkitto Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Not in any way scientific or representative of the wider population, but I've seen two things on TV that does make you wonder.. 1. Kaye Burley on SKY news walks about Oban and can't find a No voter. 2. Tory MP Rory Stewart walks in to a packed Glasgow pub filmed by the BBC and finds only ONE No voter - the owner/manager. I heard something similar happened on BBC in Portree but didn't see it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'd go further than this. Paying to put a young person through University is not a cost - it's an investment. Most fail to get through their courses and many who do fail to get a job paying enough to justify putting themselves through it. We are investing in the few who make it to the end. They more than pay that back in taxes. I actually wouldn't be averse to some sort of 5 year post graduate tax or a fixed repayment or something capped at 5 years but £52k minimum in England? That is an obscenity and a complete dereliction of responsibility from the people in power who want all the benefits of a highly skilled workforce without wanting to pay a penny to get it. Fortunately we are not affected by such people in Scotland.......yet. £52k is a false figure for two reasons. Firstly, English students only attend uni for three years. So by your figures that £47.75k Also, most students don't receive anything close to £6250 per year in student support. With means testing and some students not wanting to take out a loan, I'd venture that the average is closer to £3000 per year. Going to uni is a career choice, and I certainly don't want my future self to be paying for 18 year olds to get pissed. The UK government's policy is fantastic because you only pay back what you can afford. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Firstly, English students only attend uni for three years. Aye, OK Scrappy Doo. http://www.essex.ac.uk/coursefinder/course_details.aspx?course=BA++Q320 http://www.reading.ac.uk/study/ug-courseatoz.aspx http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/med/medicine.aspx And that's the tip of the iceberg. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Aye, OK Scrappy Doo. http://www.essex.ac.uk/coursefinder/course_details.aspx?course=BA++Q320 http://www.reading.ac.uk/study/ug-courseatoz.aspx http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/med/medicine.aspx And that's the tip of the iceberg. That atypical, much like 5 year courses in Scotland. The vast majority of undergrad courses in rUK last three years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm going to agree with Ad Lib here. I've got 5 years of student debt built up under the old system from my degree at Aberdeen, and I'm going to start a PGCE course in September where my loans will come under the new system. The repayment schedule under the current policy is much kinder to students than the old one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 That atypical, much like 5 year courses in Scotland. The vast majority of undergrad courses in rUK last three years. So your claim of "Firstly, English students only attend uni for three years" was lies then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 So your claim of "Firstly, English students only attend uni for three years" was lies then? Whoa, talk about pedantic whataboutery 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Whoa, talk about pedantic whataboutery You made a claim which was untrue. I corrected it. Care to point out the whataboutery? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I heard something similar happened on BBC in Portree but didn't see it Busing them in im hearing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 44 grand debt on average. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26954901 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 44 grand debt on average.http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-26954901 The repayment terms are, however, much more generous than before. Only looking at the nominal debt figure is like saying a mortgage is the same as a Wonga loan if they're both for the same amount. That's clearly not the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The repayment terms are, however, much more generous than before. Only looking at the nominal debt figure is like saying a mortgage is the same as a Wonga loan if they're both for the same amount. That's clearly not the case. :lol: Ah well, if you have the option of spreading your 44k out over 160 years, why not!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) :lol: Ah well, if you have the option of spreading your 44k out over 160 years, why not!? It is all written off after 30 years no matter what if anything you have paid. And you only pay in proportion to your income above £21kpa. Name me another loan with terms that good. Edited July 8, 2014 by Ad Lib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It is all written off after 30 years no matter what if anything you have paid. And you only pay in proportion to your income above £21kpa. Name me another loan with terms that good. I used to work for the fuckers, I'm well aware of how they work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Not in any way scientific or representative of the wider population, but I've seen two things on TV that does make you wonder.. 1. Kaye Burley on SKY news walks about Oban and can't find a No voter. 2. Tory MP Rory Stewart walks in to a packed Glasgow pub filmed by the BBC and finds only ONE No voter - the owner/manager. I heard something similar happened on BBC in Portree but didn't see it Intriguing ... Keith Brown MSP @KeithBrownMSP 5h Told that BBC had too many Yes/struggled to get Nos to last nights debate. David Hayman tells me big increase in Yes on Skye since last year 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 NO to win now as short as 1/10 in places, middle ground is 1/7. Stay away from Bet Fred and Sportingbet for decent value on NO. You can get 11/2 with BET FRED on YES winning. All YES betting drifting, all NO betting shortening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 NO to win now as short as 1/10 in places, middle ground is 1/7. Stay away from Bet Fred and Sportingbet for decent value on NO. You can get 11/2 with BET FRED on YES winning. All YES betting drifting, all NO betting shortening. indyrefbetsahaha.jpg Are you surprised? This will go hand in hand with the polls and looking to much into the polls is silly. As I said on the other thread though, Scotland will vote NO IMO, too many fannies/bigots and shitebags to do otherwise unfortunately. Only thing keeping my hopes up is just how many people have declared for YES on their declaration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 All YES betting drifting, all NO betting shortening. ^^^ blatantly untrue. 5/19 Yes drifting, 5/19 No shortening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_Rodger Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 NO to win now as short as 1/10 in places, middle ground is 1/7. Stay away from Bet Fred and Sportingbet for decent value on NO. You can get 11/2 with BET FRED on YES winning. All YES betting drifting, all NO betting shortening. indyrefbetsahaha.jpg Brilliant news I knew not all scots were Idiots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Brilliant news I knew not all scots were Idiots. Someone want to break it to him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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