Casual Bystander Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Curses indeed. We're going to be crushed and it's all your fault. Shame on your house and shame on your family. Whoa there buddy, that's a bit hostile.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Whoa there buddy, that's a bit hostile.. f**k you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I didn't understand why Darling didn't go down that road either. Seemed an obvious open goal. It might have opened up Labour to counter claims of rank hypocrisy and incompetence. Did they not demand concessions over the 2007 budget, and having received those concessions, gone on to vote against the budget (or at least abstain on it?) anyway? my memory is hazy but I recall that not being Labour's finest hour in the Holyrood chambers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 It's not meant to be a killer blow. If someone accuses you of doing something they have done or are doing themselves then throw it back at them. It won't have anyone changing sides but it may make enough undecided people recognise the hypocrisy of it to make a difference to their campaign. People like to trust their politicians (laughable I know) and a response in kind from Darling would have eroded trust in Salmond at the point he was trying to build it among the undecided. It's so easy. BT have also handled the the SNP NHS scaremongering really poorly. That's another open goal missed. I saw something the other day during a fleeting visit about Scottish NHS privitisation which makes the SNP look like clear hypocrits. A couple of posts later a No supporter in true BT style gave the Yes side an open goal for deflection. They seized on it. That's guys on a football forum taking a chance, why can't Darling. Wish I could remember which thread it was on now, it was a perfect example of the type of thing BT have been guilty of. Costing up to the tories trying to get legislation through in a minority government is not the same as campaigning for Scotland to be ruled by Tories that they didn't vote for. I don't think that kind of pathetic whataboutery would fool anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tio Pepe Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 It might have opened up Labour to counter claims of rank hypocrisy and incompetence. Did they not demand concessions over the 2007 budget, and having received those concessions, gone on to vote against the budget (or at least abstain on it?) anyway? my memory is hazy but I recall that not being Labour's finest hour in the Holyrood chambers. No it wasn't their finest hour but it wasn't just various budgets he could have mentioned. There were other Holyrood deals and local government coalitions. He could have picked any number of examples. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tio Pepe Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Costing up to the tories trying to get legislation through in a minority government is not the same as campaigning for Scotland to be ruled by Tories that they didn't vote for. I don't think that kind of pathetic whataboutery would fool anyone. Except that's not what they're doing. As anyone paying attention well knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) The focus on the Tories is horrendous. It's as if they are some form of terrible extremists rather than a right of centre mainstream party. It's designed to appeal to the base instincts of the more simple voters. Scottish people don't easily forget, it isn't about being simple or clever. You sweeping generalisation lends no support to your post other than as the ramblings of a unionist. Edited September 4, 2014 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maicoman Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 As I said a few weeks back, polls mean nothing. One poll giving us the lead in the final couple of weeks would add momentum, but not much more than that. If the Sun were to come out and back independence, however, I could see that as being rather pivotal. The Sun helped the YES campaign today with the article of Bill Leckie switching from NO to YES. The possibility of a trillion £s of oil on the west coast, £600 billion more on the east that could possibly be collected by fracking. And the 90% of money been placed on a YES vote. These people will go and vote YES to get their money. Years ago in Ireland 2 candidates were 10/11 on a no hoper at 33/1. People went to the bookies, put their money on him and then went to the polling station and voted him in! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I didn't understand why Darling didn't go down that road either. Seemed an obvious open goal. Possibly because the public liked the way the minority SNP government work so much so that they returned them to power with an overall majority. Labour shamed itself with blatant obstructionism, petty squabbling and even throwing their toys out the pram when the SNP made concessions in their favour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The Sun helped the YES campaign today with the article of Bill Leckie switching from NO to YES. The possibility of a trillion £s of oil on the west coast, £600 billion more on the east that could possibly be collected by fracking. And the 90% of money been placed on a YES vote. These people will go and vote YES to get their money. Years ago in Ireland 2 candidates were 10/11 on a no hoper at 33/1. People went to the bookies, put their money on him and then went to the polling station and voted him in! A YES victory would be glorious. The idea of the bookies getting stuffed at the same time would be a wee bit of icing on the cake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The Sun helped the YES campaign today with the article of Bill Leckie switching from NO to YES. The possibility of a trillion £s of oil on the west coast, £600 billion more on the east that could possibly be collected by fracking. And the 90% of money been placed on a YES vote. These people will go and vote YES to get their money. Years ago in Ireland 2 candidates were 10/11 on a no hoper at 33/1. People went to the bookies, put their money on him and then went to the polling station and voted him in! :lol: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Anyone been to Birkhill just outside Dundee recently? Trees are covered in big Yes signs all along it. Fun fact: I live there. For a couple years I had been quite a hard No on the issue of independence, but perhaps in the last 6 months or so I have changed to a soft No. How will I vote in 2 weeks time? I think I might vote Yes. At the moment the Tories are the party that I agree with on most issues, but it's my hope that a centre-right party in an independent Scotland, not affiliated with the Tories down south, might actually do okay in the coming years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 A YES victory would be glorious. The idea of the bookies getting stuffed at the same time would be a wee bit of icing on the cake. The bookies will make money regardless of the vote outcome tbh. Variations in odds are them responding to bets being placed and maintaining a balanced book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 At the moment the Tories are the party that I agree with on most issues, but it's my hope that a centre-right party in an independent Scotland, not affiliated with the Tories down south, might actually do okay in the coming years. ^^^This is what I would like to see. Even if the vote is No, I would hope to see the emergence of a centre-right party that supports independence, until then SNP all the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Fun fact: I live there. For a couple years I had been quite a hard No on the issue of independence, but perhaps in the last 6 months or so I have changed to a soft No. How will I vote in 2 weeks time? I think I might vote Yes. At the moment the Tories are the party that I agree with on most issues, but it's my hope that a centre-right party in an independent Scotland, not affiliated with the Tories down south, might actually do okay in the coming years. There already is - it's called the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 There already is - it's called the SNP. Man, you're OBSESSED with the SNP. Let it go. In fact, I have an idea. Why don't you take your obsession one step further and spoil your ballot paper? That would be something that a crank with an irrational hatred of the SNP would do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBamboo Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 There already is - it's called the SNP. Centre right economically & centre left socially broadly speaking, not a bad combination imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Centre right economically & centre left socially broadly speaking, not a bad combination imo. I've said that before - it's a tough balancing act though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The SNP did pass through quite a lot of centre right policies in it's first term, although most of that was due to needing the Conservatives to help get those policies through Holyrood as the Lib/Lab pact were like children and were desperate to cause as much problems as possible. This is typical of "Scottish" Labour, as they will do anything to lash out when they feel they have been wronged even if it is not beneficial to the Scottish people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Man, you're OBSESSED with the SNP. Let it go. In fact, I have an idea. Why don't you take your obsession one step further and spoil your ballot paper? That would be something that a crank with an irrational hatred of the SNP would do. Confi Confi - you're getting slow - did you not see the . Was half expecting a comment from Anthony C Pick, I mean H_B. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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