Fide Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yeah, I think you may want to lower your expectations for the level of intellectual debate to be found on a football forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Oaksoft telling someone to grow up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Its my favourite labour britnat thing "council tax freeze" Go check what your party were promising at the last scottish elections 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Id quite happily cough up a bit more council tax to help services while im in employment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Id quite happily cough up a bit more council tax to help services while im in employment. Make your cheque payable to "SNP" and send it to Holyrood. I'm sure it will be gratefully received. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Id quite happily cough up a bit more council tax to help services while im in employment. I don't think the freeze will be on offer come the election, pretty sure the committee on local taxation will have replied by then, and the parties will end up offering variations on local income taxes, Land value Taxes or the like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Oaksoft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Some would argue the council tax freeze free prescription and free travel is a waste of public funds and could be used on other services and in the case of the council tax limits the local councils spending ability. Care to remind us how that political argument worked out for your Labour goons in the election just three months ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Point being, you used to actually make some decent points on here. . No he didn't. He's always been a clueless moron. What you actually mean here is that his unreconstructed w**k was previously much more in line with the Kool Aid types like you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I don't think the freeze will be on offer come the election, pretty sure the committee on local taxation will have replied by then, and the parties will end up offering variations on local income taxes, Land value Taxes or the like. How long is is that the SNP have been promising to tackle this and haven't ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 How long is is that the SNP have been promising to tackle this and haven't ? All I'm saying is that the commission on local tax reform will have made it's report by then. If the SNP don't jump on it, then it clearly leaves a gap for Labour to exploit, and tactically I don't think the SNP are that stupid. Assuming there is some form of progressive, moderate change available, I'd expect the SNP to adopt that and go into Holyrood '16 promising to implement it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 All I'm saying is that the commission on local tax reform will have made it's report by then. If the SNP don't jump on it, then it clearly leaves a gap for Labour to exploit, and tactically I don't think the SNP are that stupid. Assuming there is some form of progressive, moderate change available, I'd expect the SNP to adopt that and go into Holyrood '16 promising to implement it.so the same situation as 2007 then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 so the same situation as 2007 then? Well, the power to re-evaluate the local tax rate has been there since '99, so... since then, really. Fact is that Scottish governments since devolution begun have shied away from doing something long term about fixing this. It seems unlikely that they will be able to ignore a cross party commission, at least not wholly. As I said previously, any recommendation that is in some way progressive could be seized by Labour if the SNP let it slip themselves, there is mounting pressure that 'something has to be done', the tactical situation around the constitution (which for the SNP is about trying to put blue water between how Scotland and the UK work) and the wider UK fiscal situation (which makes another CT freeze almost impossible without taking huge flak for pressurising local services) would point towards some change, even if it's just lifting the freeze - but I think we will see some change in how it is evaluated, if not a move to something like a LVT which I'd personally favour. And if the SNP don't it's manna to a Labour party who can seize on the ol' 'talk left act right' agenda and put forward their own progressive proposal. So really, it's in no one's best interests, politically at least, to go into Holyrood 16 promising to leave CT as is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I was under the impression that the council tax freeze puts no more pressure on services since the shortfall is made up by the Scottish government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I was under the impression that the council tax freeze puts no more pressure on services since the shortfall is made up by the Scottish government. Which gets harder to do if ScotGov get's it's budget cut. This is the first time a cross party commission will report on a replacement for the CT, looking at both the economic and bureaucratic impact of doing so. Once published it's up to the individual parties to respond to that, but I can't honestly see the SNP letting Labour flank them on the left over this issue, which is the space opened up by a further SNP freeze on the CT. Alongside the proposed devolution of the income tax it'd be interesting to see how that dovetails with any CT replacement as well. It's a genuine chance to create a more holistic, progressive tax system, if anyone is willing to give it a shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 I'd be ok with paying a little extra for council tax or it's equivalent tbh. I've been in Glasgow for 4 or 5 years now and I'd have expected that to have increased. TBH my household earns more than enough to pay extra - I have absolutely no idea why households over a certain amount haven't seen increases over the last few years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I have absolutely no idea why households over a certain amount haven't seen increases over the last few years. Because then the government wouldn't be able to say it had frozen council tax. It'd have to qualify it. Not sure there's any more to it than that. They could raise band G by four pence and every paper in the country except the National would run it on the front page for a month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 Ooft. After all that's happened in the last eight years its STILL 55/45 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Ooft. After all that's happened in the last eight years its STILL 55/45 [emoji3]Like the polls that had Yes in the lead it's all pretty meaningless until an actual IndyRef2 campaign starts.We'll see then how soft or hard that No vote is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Like the polls that had Yes in the lead it's all pretty meaningless until an actual IndyRef2 campaign starts. We'll see then how soft or hard that No vote is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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