Ned Nederlander Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Every account I have read says the helicopter dropped straight down. The following is an eyewitness account of the aircraft falling to the ground - it's attributed to Sun editor Gordon Smart: "I looked around, and in front of me, between 500 feet and 1,000 feet in the air, I could see a helicopter in distress. And then suddenly it just completely lost power and fell from the sky like a stone and tumbled over, nose over tail," For the aircraft to go end over end, the rotors would still have to be going. Otherwise there'd be nothing to cause the change in pitch Witnesses have stated that the main rotor head had stopped spinning so I'd suggest that purely the action of the aircraft falling from the sky was enough to cause it to tumble (FWIW - a helicopter's main rotor acts like a huge gyroscope - it makes the aircraft more stable) So to answer your question: I have no idea what sort of pilot error "would result in an aircraft tumbling nose over tail with the main rotors stopped". And yet that's what you - as an expert - claim !? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Huge giros always cause a bit of a stir in that part of town. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Also the money that families receive as a death benefit does not come from the tax payer, every serving police officer pays £5 for a death of a serving officer which goes towards the initial costs, little if not any cost will be met by the taxpayer,it's a police funeral,your attitude is disgusting. I believe it's £10 per serving officer and although it's voluntary virtually everyone signs up. I understand if you don't your family doesn't benefit if you pay the ultimate sacrifice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I believe it's £10 per serving officer and although it's voluntary virtually everyone signs up. I understand if you don't your family doesn't benefit if you pay the ultimate sacrifice.kilbowie is a police officer, he would know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) If the taxpayer doesn't subsidise things that's fine by me. However I see no reason whatsoever to give police officers special attention. I think teachers or nurses or all the other civil servants who do more but get paid less deserve it more and if they don't get it, neither should coppers. The emergency services place thier lives on the line to save the lives of others. That is a possible requirement of the job and that they do it willingly is admirable. The pilot serviced in the arms forces, trained pilots and was highly respected in his field. He died helping the emergency services, fully deserving of the honours he received. The fact you tried to turn his funeral into a argument about Rangers tax problems is nothing short of pathetic. Do everyone a favor and stop going on about this. We have no idea what happened up there. Edited December 8, 2013 by EdgarusQPFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Jock's an old firm fan. He was probably beating his wife when it happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I thought Kilbowie was a fireman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Jock's an old firm fan. He was probably beating his wife when it happened. yawn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 If that is Steven Thomson, can you keep him in there 'till after Tuesday Wissy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 It's £5, sadly paid out a couple times this year. Yes it's voluntary however I'd not wanna have to explain to the shift that your not a member, it's a very logical thing to do, in events like this the fed have funds which help pay out until it's recouped. It's a fantastic scheme,similar in fire brigade and taxi companies etc! Used to have it in a golf club for hole in ones, saved an amazing shot being an expensive 1, it a simple but effective scheme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 kilbowie is a police officer, he would know. So is my son and he would also know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 So is my son and he would also know. Well, somebody is lying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Well, somebody is lying. Not necessarily, it could well be that the rate has been increased for new recruits and kilbowie's been in service for a number of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 And yet that's what you - as an expert - claim !? Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did. I have qualifications in Aeronautical Engineering and I've spent most of my adult life working on military and civilian helicopters. Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me. After all, you really ARE the one claiming to be an expert. I am but a speculating amateur,. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I am but a speculating amateur,. Your speculation has been of a deeply offensive nature. With zero evidence you have been besmirching an elite level helicopter pilot and throwing tantrums about his funeral. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 (edited) Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did. I've posted on here for over ten years - folk have a general idea of my background. Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me. I've already answered that bit. Edited December 9, 2013 by Ned Nederlander 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I do have a relevant degree, pilots experience and the literary skills to understand that when I said it was almost certainly pilot error I was being completely accurate. I am but a speculating amateur,. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did. Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me. After all, you really ARE the one claiming to be an expert. I am but a speculating amateur,. Wow, you're drowning man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Clocked that same bit earlier on but mobile version doesnt allow multi quote lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Whether you like it or not, pilot error is by far the most likely cause given the fact there was no mayday. Without wishing to be crass. What good would a recording of the pilot going "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" have made to the outcome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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