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Helicopter crashes into Clutha pub, Glasgow


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Every account I have read says the helicopter dropped straight down.

The following is an eyewitness account of the aircraft falling to the ground - it's attributed to Sun editor Gordon Smart:

"I looked around, and in front of me, between 500 feet and 1,000 feet in the air, I could see a helicopter in distress. And then suddenly it just completely lost power and fell from the sky like a stone and tumbled over, nose over tail,"

For the aircraft to go end over end, the rotors would still have to be going. Otherwise there'd be nothing to cause the change in pitch

Witnesses have stated that the main rotor head had stopped spinning so I'd suggest that purely the action of the aircraft falling from the sky was enough to cause it to tumble (FWIW - a helicopter's main rotor acts like a huge gyroscope - it makes the aircraft more stable)

So to answer your question: I have no idea what sort of pilot error "would result in an aircraft tumbling nose over tail with the main rotors stopped".

And yet that's what you - as an expert - claim !?

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Also the money that families receive as a death benefit does not come from the tax payer, every serving police officer pays £5 for a death of a serving officer which goes towards the initial costs, little if not any cost will be met by the taxpayer,it's a police funeral,your attitude is disgusting.

I believe it's £10 per serving officer and although it's voluntary virtually everyone signs up. I understand if you don't your family doesn't benefit if you pay the ultimate sacrifice.

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I believe it's £10 per serving officer and although it's voluntary virtually everyone signs up. I understand if you don't your family doesn't benefit if you pay the ultimate sacrifice.
kilbowie is a police officer, he would know.
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If the taxpayer doesn't subsidise things that's fine by me.

However I see no reason whatsoever to give police officers special attention. I think teachers or nurses or all the other civil servants who do more but get paid less deserve it more and if they don't get it, neither should coppers.

The emergency services place thier lives on the line to save the lives of others. That is a possible requirement of the job and that they do it willingly is admirable.

The pilot serviced in the arms forces, trained pilots and was highly respected in his field. He died helping the emergency services, fully deserving of the honours he received. The fact you tried to turn his funeral into a argument about Rangers tax problems is nothing short of pathetic.

Do everyone a favor and stop going on about this. We have no idea what happened up there.

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It's £5, sadly paid out a couple times this year. Yes it's voluntary however I'd not wanna have to explain to the shift that your not a member, it's a very logical thing to do, in events like this the fed have funds which help pay out until it's recouped. It's a fantastic scheme,similar in fire brigade and taxi companies etc!

Used to have it in a golf club for hole in ones, saved an amazing shot being an expensive 1, it a simple but effective scheme.

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Well, somebody is lying.

Not necessarily, it could well be that the rate has been increased for new recruits and kilbowie's been in service for a number of years.

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And yet that's what you - as an expert - claim !?

Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did.

I have qualifications in Aeronautical Engineering and I've spent most of my adult life working on military and civilian helicopters.

Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me.

After all, you really ARE the one claiming to be an expert. I am but a speculating amateur,.

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Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did.

I've posted on here for over ten years - folk have a general idea of my background.

Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me.

I've already answered that bit.

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Actually, I didn't break the cardinal rule of the internet and reveal any personal information about me but apparently you did.

Excellent. In that case you'll be able to elaborate on my speculation about there being a problem between about the aircraft having a transmission failure and somehow going end over end. For some reason you chose to edit that part out of your response to me.

After all, you really ARE the one claiming to be an expert. I am but a speculating amateur,.

Wow, you're drowning man.

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Whether you like it or not, pilot error is by far the most likely cause given the fact there was no mayday.

Without wishing to be crass. What good would a recording of the pilot going "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" have made to the outcome?

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