Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Actually it isn't a personal need for revenge,I'm afraid I just don't worry myself with the rights of a guy like Ian Watkins, But therein lies the problem; we need to worry about the rights of everyone, even the bad ones, in order to maintain a civilised society. If we don't then we are nothing more than a nice veneer over a macabre regime. A sick pantomime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 That's chilling. At least you admit to your own barbaric instincts, but I really truly hope you don't honestly believe our own bloodthirsty rhetoric. What would you have done to him in yours and everyone else's name? Thumbscrews? Waterboarding? Public flogging? You'll find the United Arab Emirates to be more to your tastes if that's your style. Its a pretty awful thing to say but what does somebody actually have to do before people think that he should no longer deserve to live? Sickos aren't going to think twice. Threat of the death penalty isn't a deterrent. Very true, but maybe just me thinking that it will maybe stop the ones on the verge from offending, although thats probably wishful thinking on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Actually it isn't a personal need for revenge,I'm afraid I just don't worry myself with the rights of a guy like Ian Watkins, So he doesn't/shouldn't have any rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Its a pretty awful thing to say but what does somebody actually have to do before people think that he should no longer deserve to live? Very true, but maybe just me thinking that it will maybe stop the ones on the verge from offending, although thats probably wishful thinking on my part. It's not up to you, or me to decide who deserves life. Your second statement is just plain mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 They clearly don't, this isn't biblical times with an eye for an eye and all that. Society has moved on, and quite rightly would try and find the reason why this person killed another, and try to rehabilitate them. Do you honestly think Ian Watkins will be able to be rehabilitated? Or what about the 2 that killed Lee Rigby? Or the countless number of American cases where the criminal have gone and shot up loads of innocent schoolschildren? Do you seriously belive that these people should be able to get their lifes back on track after the terrible terrible things they have done to other peoples lifes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Do you honestly think Ian Watkins will be able to be rehabilitated? Or what about the 2 that killed Lee Rigby? Or the countless number of American cases where the criminal have gone and shot up loads of innocent schoolschildren? Do you seriously belive that these people should be able to get their lifes back on track after the terrible terrible things they have done to other peoples lifes? Maybe just by you thinking about them not doing it they won't do it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Do you honestly think Ian Watkins will be able to be rehabilitated? Or what about the 2 that killed Lee Rigby? Or the countless number of American cases where the criminal have gone and shot up loads of innocent schoolschildren? Do you seriously belive that these people should be able to get their lifes back on track after the terrible terrible things they have done to other peoples lifes? I don't know, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Yes, if they show remorse, and that have been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society, then absolutely yes, Judging by your posts you seem to think people are animals that can just be put down, you seem like you'd have the death penalty for quite a lot of things and I find it genuinely disconcerting that you are so callus about the taking of a human life, something which you're saying is deserving of the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Where do we draw the line on capital punishment? Do we kill all sex offenders (even those who have been wrongly convicted)? Or do we hold a national vote to determine which criminal is killed? I'm interested to see how the foaming at the mouth right-wingers believe the death penalty should be utilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Where do we draw the line on capital punishment? Do we kill all sex offenders (even those who have been wrongly convicted)? Or do we hold a national vote to determine which criminal is killed? I'm interested to see how the foaming at the mouth right-wingers believe the death penalty should be utilised. The only answer is a Britain's Got Talent type situation where the criminals perform for us and give us a weepy back-story, then it goes to a public vote and the loser is killed live on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 The only answer is a Britain's Got Talent type situation where the criminals perform for us and give us a weepy back-story, then it goes to a public vote and the loser is killed live on TV. I'm liking this. I'm liking this a lot. Those who end up in the "sing-off" have to take part in Running Man style challenges, with full-time mummys and other nutters taking the place of Sub Zero et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm liking this. I'm liking this a lot. Those who end up in the "sing-off" have to take part in Running Man style challenges, with full-time mummys and other nutters taking the place of Sub Zero et al. Well, I'm sold. Best TV show ever IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So he doesn't/shouldn't have any rights? Answer me this question, if you turned on to a news channel right now and saw that Ian Watkins had been stabbed to death in prison, would you really give a toss? my first reaction would be f**k him hopes he rots in hell to be honest, as it would have been for Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe and others, Sweet Pete made the point that he has the basic right to life,he does and what he has done with that life is sickening,his welfare isn't really something that would concern me in the slightest to be honest, what rights do you think he should have? 24 hour suicide watch?A personal guard? He had the right to be defended in a trial which he quite rightly got, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Answer me this question, if you turned on to a news channel right now and saw that Ian Watkins had been stabbed to death in prison, would you really give a toss? my first reaction would be f**k him hopes he rots in hell to be honest, as it would have been for Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe and others, Sweet Pete made the point that he has the basic right to life,he does and what he has done with that life is sickening,his welfare isn't really something that would concern me in the slightest to be honest, what rights do you think he should have? 24 hour suicide watch?A personal guard? He had the right to be defended in a trial which he quite rightly got, Once more though, everything you're saying here is purely borne of outrage at his crime. I, too, am outraged at his crime, but I just can't let my emotions rule me like that and shout "f**k his Human Rights, kill him!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 The death penalty as a deterrent has no proof of actually being there, the USA's crime rate hasn't exactly been the lowest even in the states that allow it, in addition it would be us and other great holders of fundamental human rights such as North Korea, China and Saudi Arabia who allow it. Also the ECHR would make us pay a lot in compensation for breaching Article 2, every country in Europe (excluding belarus) doesn't have the death penalty. I'm liking this. I'm liking this a lot. Those who end up in the "sing-off" have to take part in Running Man style challenges, with full-time mummys and other nutters taking the place of Sub Zero et al. I'm thinking like that kids game show, 50/50 where the crims are ramdomy chosen from 50 convicts and then have to do a series of inflatable obstacles in front of a crowd of full time mums and the loser gets executed after working on a gulag. while the winner gets time in our revolving door prison system where he gets human rights and other luxuries that the Daily Mail is outraged by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I don't know, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Yes, if they show remorse, and that have been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society, then absolutely yes, Judging by your posts you seem to think people are animals that can just be put down, you seem like you'd have the death penalty for quite a lot of things and I find it genuinely disconcerting that you are so callus about the taking of a human life, something which you're saying is deserving of the death penalty. I don't know, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Yes, if they show remorse, and that have been rehabilitated and are no longer a danger to society, then absolutely yes, Judging by your posts you seem to think people are animals that can just be put down, you seem like you'd have the death penalty for quite a lot of things and I find it genuinely disconcerting that you are so callus about the taking of a human life, something which you're saying is deserving of the death penalty. Well maybe I am sounding more barbaric than I thought I was judging by that reply from you there. But I genuinely feel that for the more severe cases like the Lee Rigby one and any murderous rampage there should be much more severe punishments. Maybe the death penalty is harsh but suppose you would never properly know until it affected you first hand as either a victim or an offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Once more though, everything you're saying here is purely borne of outrage at his crime. I, too, am outraged at his crime, but I just can't let my emotions rule me like that and shout "f**k his Human Rights, kill him!". It isn't emotion ,there is no point in keeping the guy alive , he can't be rehabilitated a whole life sentence wouldn't have been a deterrent ,we have kept Ian Brady alive in Broadmoor amongst other places...why? He'll never get out and can never be part of society, would life be in a state of anarchy right now if he had been sentenced to death all those years ago, doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Once more though, everything you're saying here is purely borne of outrage at his crime. I, too, am outraged at his crime, but I just can't let my emotions rule me like that and shout "f**k his Human Rights, kill him!". What would you say if it affected you first hand, somebody brutally murdered your family, how would you feel knowing he would be out of jail again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I'm liking this. I'm liking this a lot. Those who end up in the "sing-off" have to take part in Running Man style challenges, with full-time mummys and other nutters taking the place of Sub Zero et al. The panel from Loose women perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 What would you say if it affected you first hand, somebody brutally murdered your family, how would you feel knowing he would be out of jail again? I'd be sickened, hence why I believe in whole of life prison terms for certain crimes. But I'm sure I would have mentioned that by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 It isn't emotion ,there is no point in keeping the guy alive , he can't be rehabilitated a whole life sentence wouldn't have been a deterrent ,we have kept Ian Brady alive in Broadmoor amongst other places...why? He'll never get out and can never be part of society, would life be in a state of anarchy right now if he had been sentenced to death all those years ago, doubt it. No, it wouldn't be in a state of anarchy, but it'd be a much grimmer world to live in knowing that we can just liquify anyone who steps out of line and use them as compost. And for f**k sake stop going on about deterrents, it has no relevance here as the crime has already happened and the death penalty has been proven time and again not to be an effective deterrent anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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