VincentGuerin Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, Dons_1988 said: Correct. This whole debate is so dishonest I have to admit it really does wind me up. I think @craigkillie is at it to be honest. If we really believe this ‘helps’ teams in Europe, then this should be decided as a league with a protocol. Not with as hoc requests after a European contestant loses their first two league games and finds themselves out the cup. Why should it be down to Aberdeen to decide if we should help killie out? What do hibs, hearts, Dundee or st Mirren or any other teams with top 6 or European hopes think of this postponement? I personally think all Big Massive Teams playing in Europe should be given a year off from having to be involved in the grubby spectacle that is the SPFL. Just spend the whole season on a training camp in Portugal, and fly in and out for the European games. Play-off with the third-placed team to see who gets to do it next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 If postponements were a possibility, surely AFC would have requested the trip to Paisley last August which was sandwiched in the middle of the two Häcken Europa play-off matches was postponed? Hearts have a similar tie vs Viktoria Plzen coming up. Do they still intend to go to Firp Ark next Sunday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, tarapoa said: Hearts have a similar tie vs Viktoria Plzen coming up. Do they still intend to go to Firp Ark next Sunday? Got to be honest, I'll make it as far as that boozer next to the station, I always forget its name. Chances of going to Fir Park? I'd say 30/70. Sorry @kingjoey 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, Ray Patterson said: There's a midweek date next month that is free for Aberdeen to host Killie. And would there be a game on both weekends for Aberdeen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubford don Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Can't remember killie offering to postpone the noon kick off at rugby park on the Sunday after we played paok. Fvck them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 21 minutes ago, craigkillie said: My understanding was that clubs could ask for their first home fixture to be postponed (ie only fixtures in the first two matchweeks could be disrupted), and this was Aberdeen's second. The statement at the time said that it was with the agreement of both clubs, if it was based on an entitlement then St Mirren would have needed to agree. These postponements were also typically announced around the time the fixture list came out, not two weeks before the match. For example, both of the below were already known in late June. https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13110283.postponing-celtic-game-friendly-ridiculous-insists-goodwin/ https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/kilmarnock-to-welcome-premiership-big-guns-1106599 My understanding is that these games didn't have to be postponed at the time the fixtures came out, just at a time that was ok with both clubs. As for your understanding that it had to be the first home game, my understanding is that you're flailing around trying to justify your point. Even if that was the case, it's still a justified request which wouldn't have been made if the SPL (or whatever they were called at the time) hadn't allowed any team to request one postponement per season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Correct. This whole debate is so dishonest I have to admit it really does wind me up. I think @craigkillie is at it to be honest. If we really believe this ‘helps’ teams in Europe, then this should be decided as a league with a protocol. Not with as hoc requests after a European contestant loses their first two league games and finds themselves out the cup. Why should it be down to Aberdeen to decide if we should help killie out? What do hibs, hearts, Dundee or st Mirren or any other teams with top 6 or European hopes think of this postponement? At no point have I suggested that it benefits the league or anything of the sort, I haven't even said I think it would really help us. The only reason I started posting in here was to point out Aberdeen had done it before, and then to disagree with people suggesting various logistical reasons as to why it couldn't or shouldn't happen. It's an Aberdeen v Kilmarnock fixture. When it is played is none of Hibs', Hearts', Dundee's or St Mirren's business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: It's an Aberdeen v Kilmarnock fixture. When it is played is none of Hibs', Hearts', Dundee's or St Mirren's business. Not sure about this. All clubs operate on an understanding that there's a general pattern to the fixtures. If clubs are getting tricky fixtures moved to suit their own agenda, that obviously interests everyone else. What if Killie move this fixture, win it, and beat Hearts to Europe by a point? If you want to move the game, you need a good reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 6 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Got to be honest, I'll make it as far as that boozer next to the station, I always forget its name. Chances of going to Fir Park? I'd say 30/70. Sorry @kingjoey Disappointing, but not surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Tbh I wouldn’t mind so much if it was agreed at the start of the season by all clubs that any team involved in a European playoff round can postpone their league fixture between the two legs. However, to try and do it just one week in advance, when the date of the game has already changed, is a pisstake. Fans of both clubs and the clubs themselves have made arrangements on the basis that this date would be final. Killie should’ve known this was a possibility when the fixture list was released. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, kingjoey said: My understanding is that these games didn't have to be postponed at the time the fixtures came out, just at a time that was ok with both clubs. As for your understanding that it had to be the first home game, my understanding is that you're flailing around trying to justify your point. Even if that was the case, it's still a justified request which wouldn't have been made if the SPL (or whatever they were called at the time) hadn't allowed any team to request one postponement per season. The last time any other team had a game postponed for that reason was Celtic in 2013, which is when Goodwin kicked up a fuss about it in the interview mentioned. Celtic postponed games in 2011 (when it was first allowed), 2012 and 2013, and then never again, which suggests to me the rule may not even have still been in place in 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: At no point have I suggested that it benefits the league or anything of the sort, I haven't even said I think it would really help us. The only reason I started posting in here was to point out Aberdeen had done it before, and then to disagree with people suggesting various logistical reasons as to why it couldn't or shouldn't happen. It's an Aberdeen v Kilmarnock fixture. When it is played is none of Hibs', Hearts', Dundee's or St Mirren's business. You did say that Aberdeen would be small minded to reject it. But mainly, if you’ve made several posts just to merely state this is logistically possible then that would confirm to me that you’re at it. And league fixtures between two clubs do not exist in a vacuum. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Not sure about this. All clubs operate on an understanding that there's a general pattern to the fixtures. If clubs are getting tricky fixtures moved to suit their own agenda, that obviously interests everyone else. What if Killie move this fixture, win it, and beat Hearts to Europe by a point? If you want to move the game, you need a good reason. Fixtures move around for all sorts of reasons. Hearts played a bunch of games at a different stadium one season and there wasn't any complaint about fairness then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 In defending their decisions to allow Celtic to unilaterally delay a home game with Hibs from Saturday to Monday so they could have a longer overseas training camp during the winter break in January 2021; and Dundee Utd to unilaterally bring forward a home game with Arbroath from Saturday to Friday to coincide with anniversary of them altering their name in October last year; it was argued by SPFL that it was entirely between their Board and the home club (even when the away club was openly opposed)... That surely renders it impossible for this request to even be contemplated unless Aberdeen agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, HibeeJibee said: In defending their decisions to allow Celtic to unilaterally delay a home game with Hibs from Saturday to Monday so they could have a longer overseas training camp during the winter break in January 2021; and Dundee Utd to unilaterally bring forward a home game with Arbroath from Saturday to Friday to coincide with anniversary of them altering their name in October last year; it was argued by SPFL that it was entirely between their Board and the home club (even when the away club was openly opposed)... That surely renders it impossible for this request to even be contemplated unless Aberdeen agree. You'd definitely assume the home club would have to agree here, if Aberdeen say no then that's that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naegoodinthedark Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Have Killie actually asked for this, or are they just telling the media they might ask? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highland_mechanic Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 I was going to wish Kilmarnock well but after seeing this and their wanting to postpone the game next Sunday I hope Copenhagen stuff them by 6 or 7. Hopefully the Dons have the balls to tell them to stuff their postponement up their arses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Either way - if it is allowed, it looks to run contrary to abolishing winter break/Scottish Cup replays/etc. citing lack of dates. It'll also absolutely be followed by OF, leading to a can-of-worms like 2007-08 IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 17 minutes ago, craigkillie said: At no point have I suggested that it benefits the league or anything of the sort, I haven't even said I think it would really help us. The only reason I started posting in here was to point out Aberdeen had done it before, and then to disagree with people suggesting various logistical reasons as to why it couldn't or shouldn't happen. It's an Aberdeen v Kilmarnock fixture. When it is played is none of Hibs', Hearts', Dundee's or St Mirren's business. Aberdeen "had done it before" during a season where every team was entitled to request one postponement. Stop throwing that in as a justification for your "this game can be played on any free midweek up to the end of April next year" shite. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 16 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The last time any other team had a game postponed for that reason was Celtic in 2013, which is when Goodwin kicked up a fuss about it in the interview mentioned. Celtic postponed games in 2011 (when it was first allowed), 2012 and 2013, and then never again, which suggests to me the rule may not even have still been in place in 2014. It was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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