kingjoey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: You got the same number of points as we did, your only win was in a dead rubber, and we played the whole thing with half a team missing. If that keeps you happy, then fair play. Not surprising that you take that “same number of points” standpoint, as in every other way Aberdeen this season in Europe were a fair way ahead of how Hearts performed the season before. Everything seems to be “meaningless” to you unless it shows Hearts in a good light. Is it meaningless to qualify for Europe if you get knocked out in the first round? Is it meaningless to get to a cup final if you lose? Is it meaningless to finish third in the league as you didn’t win it? Is it meaningless for Scotland to qualify for Euro 2024 if they get knocked out in the group stages? The answer to all of these questions is “no”. Once again I apologise for bringing you back to the Aberdeen thread with the mere mention of Hearts in a post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, kingjoey said: Not surprising that you take that “same number of points” standpoint, as in every other way Aberdeen this season in Europe were a fair way ahead of how Hearts performed the season before. Everything seems to be “meaningless” to you unless it shows Hearts in a good light. Is it meaningless to qualify for Europe if you get knocked out in the first round? Is it meaningless to get to a cup final if you lose? Is it meaningless to finish third in the league as you didn’t win it? Is it meaningless for Scotland to qualify for Euro 2024 if they get knocked out in the group stages? The answer to all of these questions is “no”. Once again I apologise for bringing you back to the Aberdeen thread with the mere mention of Hearts in a post. We're in a Labour-Tories stat-swapping exercise here, but it's amusing that you seem incapable of noticing that you're doing the very same thing you accuse me of. Aberdeen won 0 games in Europe that were competitive. They performed well in some games, but they didn't do any better than Hearts did. You can argue that either way, but your argument is as easy to ridicule and pick holes in as mine, you just choose not to see that. And, yes, a cup semi final that you lose in a season where you finish in the bottom six is meaningless. Aberdeen have shown all season they can perform well against better teams. Sadly, it's been pretty much futile in every sense. The semi-final is just another example. It's a season that's left you nowhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 7 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Aberdeen won 0 games in Europe that were competitive. They performed well in some games, but they didn't do any better than Hearts did. You can argue that either way, but your argument is as easy to ridicule and pick holes in as mine, you just choose not to see that. Hearts were a third seeded team and only reason you can claim at all they did as well as Aberdeen was because you drew a diddy team to get 6 points from. Aberdeen were bottom seeds and did better all things considered. Besides the diddy games Hearts were pretty much pumped in every game they played. I'm Not trying to claim any kind of victory out of finishing 3rd in that group or from just about anything from what has been a disaster of a season but trying to claim you did as well in a group where you took some absolute beatings regularly when Aberdeen competed in pretty much every game means you either think we're all stupid or you're hopelessly deluded. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Rodhull said: Hearts were a third seeded team and only reason you can claim at all they did as well as Aberdeen was because you drew a diddy team to get 6 points from. Aberdeen were bottom seeds and did better all things considered. Besides the diddy games Hearts were pretty much pumped in every game they played. I'm Not trying to claim any kind of victory out of finishing 3rd in that group or from just about anything from what has been a disaster of a season but trying to claim you did as well in a group where you took some absolute beatings regularly when Aberdeen competed in pretty much every game means you either think we're all stupid or you're hopelessly deluded. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them stupid or hopelessly deluded. We played hard games against good teams with half a team missing. How would Aberdeen do against Fiorentina with half a team missing? Anyway, we'll get another shot at it next year. Enjoy the League Cup groups. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Come on Vincent, you can do better than that doesn’t count because injuries An utterly pointless debate, up there with Aberdeen and hearts fans who get themselves in a right state over who’s a big club. - Hearts are currently better than aberdeen - they are by no means brilliant - the above is irrelevant if we don’t sort our own shit out this summer End 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: Come on Vincent, you can do better than that doesn’t count because injuries An utterly pointless debate, up there with Aberdeen and hearts fans who get themselves in a right state over who’s a big club. - Hearts are currently better than aberdeen - they are by no means brilliant - the above is irrelevant if we don’t sort our own shit out this summer End A sad attempt at misrepresentation. As well you know. Anyway, this has gone on long enough. You lads are having a hard time, I get it. League Cup draw must be soon. I hope you get some good trips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 24 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: We're in a Labour-Tories stat-swapping exercise here, but it's amusing that you seem incapable of noticing that you're doing the very same thing you accuse me of. Aberdeen won 0 games in Europe that were competitive. They performed well in some games, but they didn't do any better than Hearts did. You can argue that either way, but your argument is as easy to ridicule and pick holes in as mine, you just choose not to see that. And, yes, a cup semi final that you lose in a season where you finish in the bottom six is meaningless. Aberdeen have shown all season they can perform well against better teams. Sadly, it's been pretty much futile in every sense. The semi-final is just another example. It's a season that's left you nowhere. You’ve completely missed my point. In the examples that I’ve given, apart from Scotland, I’m not referring to Aberdeen or Hearts. I’m referring to any team that experiences these things. You are trying to justify that Hearts and Aberdeen’s performances in Europe make no difference because we both ended up with the same points. If that floats your boat fair enough, but it’s patently obvious that Aberdeen fans enjoyed our group stage games more than Hearts did theirs, simply because all six of our matches were extremely competitive. You can take the piss out of that if you want, but that is what actually happened. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: A sad attempt at misrepresentation. As well you know. It’s a debate based around entirely subjective nonsense, as you well know. Applying fair representation would be a waste of time. But it is notable that you feel the need to defend hearts euro record vs ours in such a way. 3 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Anyway, this has gone on long enough. You lads are having a hard time, I get it. League Cup draw must be soon. I hope you get some good trips. This is lovely tail between legs stuff. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 10 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: A sad attempt at misrepresentation. As well you know. Anyway, this has gone on long enough. You lads are having a hard time, I get it. League Cup draw must be soon. I hope you get some good trips. It’s the best we’re going to get, so hopefully we will enjoy our League Cup group matches. I would like one, if not two, opportunities for new grounds to visit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I know that most folk are blaming the board for bringing in Warnock, which ended up f*ck*ng up our European hopes for next season. I’m sure that he interviewed well, probably lied a fair bit during these interviews, and when he was given the job I was 100% behind him and thought it was a decent appointment. Right up until his first, second or third interview when we all saw what a nightmare he was going to be. Some people saw it coming before it happened, but not me. Even in hindsight, I can see why he was appointed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, kingjoey said: I know that most folk are blaming the board for bringing in Warnock, which ended up f*ck*ng up our European hopes for next season. I’m sure that he interviewed well, probably lied a fair bit during these interviews, and when he was given the job I was 100% behind him and thought it was a decent appointment. Right up until his first, second or third interview when we all saw what a nightmare he was going to be. Some people saw it coming before it happened, but not me. Even in hindsight, I can see why he was appointed. The board definitely need to take responsibility. Any serious board would. If they are sitting there saying ‘well he told he us he was up for it in the interview!’ I’d be very worried. They need to take it on the chin. I saw the logic of appointing him, on the provision he was up for it and taking the job for the right reasons. We had no way of knowing that, the board had the chance to do some proper due diligence. If we could see from the first press conference that it didn’t feel right then I’d be willing to bet there were plenty clues in the interview process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 46 minutes ago, kingjoey said: I know that most folk are blaming the board for bringing in Warnock, which ended up f*ck*ng up our European hopes for next season. I’m sure that he interviewed well, probably lied a fair bit during these interviews, and when he was given the job I was 100% behind him and thought it was a decent appointment. Right up until his first, second or third interview when we all saw what a nightmare he was going to be. Some people saw it coming before it happened, but not me. Even in hindsight, I can see why he was appointed. No hindsight for me on this one as this was the day before the Warnock appointment - but I could equally bring up very sugary positive messages about Goodwin and Robson before they were confirmed ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them stupid or hopelessly deluded. We played hard games against good teams with half a team missing. How would Aberdeen do against Fiorentina with half a team missing? Anyway, we'll get another shot at it next year. Enjoy the League Cup groups. Hearts goal difference was -10 in the group and ours was level pegging. Stats, miniskirts etc......but it does give an indication of a series of closer, competitive matches. The calibre of opponent was similar in terms of the two good sides, but you had a Latvian side in your group. We have recently faced a couple of sides from that nation winning 12-0 on agg over four matches. Us drawing twice with HJK wasn't too clever either, but generally they are a fairly established side who were seeded ahead of us. When I was in Thessaloniki watching us put in a credible performance against PAOK, the Greeks were all asking who this pub team from Scotland they faced in the play-off round were ! As stated, you get another go at the groups next year, and the positive is, you can hardly do much worse. Edited May 6 by tarapoa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Can't say I'd heard of it but seemingly the award is voted for by the Italian players association for midfielder of the year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premio_Bulgarelli_Number_8#%3A~%3Atext%3DThe_Bulgarelli_Number_8_Award%2Cof_the_previous_calendar_year.?wprov=sfla1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STFU_Donny Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I would never say that I wouldn’t want to qualify for the European groups but our squad was nowhere near ready for it this season and it definitely had a detrimental effect on our league campaign. We need a few years of solid recruitment and stability at the club before we can realistically compete in 4 competitions. The cynic in me thinks the board were quite happy to go in to this season’s campaign undercooked because the guaranteed European cash was an unexpected bonus from our finish to last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1GregStewart Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: A sad attempt at misrepresentation. As well you know. Anyway, this has gone on long enough. You lads are having a hard time, I get it. League Cup draw must be soon. I hope you get some good trips. You might be able to advise us on some of the lower league grounds from your various seasons in the lower leagues. Look forward to your input, as you seem to have plenty to say regarding AFC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubford don Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 hours ago, tarapoa said: Hearts goal difference was -10 in the group and ours was level pegging. Stats, miniskirts etc......but it does give an indication of a series of closer, competitive matches. The calibre of opponent was similar in terms of the two good sides, but you had a Latvian side in your group. We have recently faced a couple of sides from that nation winning 12-0 on agg over four matches. Us drawing twice with HJK wasn't too clever either, but generally they are a fairly established side who were seeded ahead of us. When I was in Thessaloniki watching us put in a credible performance against PAOK, the Greeks were all asking who this pub team from Scotland they faced in the play-off round were ! As stated, you get another go at the groups next year, and the positive is, you can hardly do much worse. Hertz and europe go together like bacon and custard 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeAFC94 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 8 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: Disagreeing with someone doesn't make them stupid or hopelessly deluded. We played hard games against good teams with half a team missing. How would Aberdeen do against Fiorentina with half a team missing? Anyway, we'll get another shot at it next year. Enjoy the League Cup groups. How much of the Hearts team was missing when they got pumped by PAOK? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 He won't win, but nice to see some recognition for Barron nevertheless. He has arguably been our best player in 2024 IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 7 minutes ago, DrewDon said: He won't win, but nice to see some recognition for Barron nevertheless. He has arguably been our best player in 2024 IMO. Agreed. Few WhatsApp group messages seem genuinely perplexed that he’s in with a shout. Strange takes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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