Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think you might be reading a little bit too much into the Tonev incident and why Celtic are a laughing stock. Celtic are absolutely right to pursue any appeal open to them if they believe that the decision was wrong. What they're not entitled to do is issue public statements pretending that the decision was reached in the absence of any evidence and questioning one of the central tenets of the disciplinary system. I think there is a direct correlation between how the clubs should act in relation to the incidents. If Celtic believe their player is innocent why should they punish him further? Same applies to United and Paton. IMO both clubs should accept there was sufficient evidence to support the tribunals' decisions and apply internal discipline accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazas_ Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 It looks like he spits on him in the vid, and as said above why would Hayes suddenly jump up towards him. Could be Hayes calmed down after it and and didn't think it was worth Paton getting into bother over. Even if Hayes wasn't bothered they would still need to punish him. If he'd spat at Hayes it's very unlikely he would have felt it so why otherwise would he jump up to confront Paton? I think it's quite clear that he's shouted something at him - most likely 'p***k' as someone mentioned earlier. I doubt very much Hayes would have felt the gobber on his back, jumped up to confront him about it then later deny it ever happening on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 It looks to me from what he does, that he is spitting, rather than swearing, BUT I can't see any spit - I would doubt the SFA have any better footage available to them than we do. Does Hayes leap up like that after being called a name? Cannae see it. But at the same time would you defend a player who has spat at you? Feck knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Just saw it on the STV news, first time I've seen it in HD on such a large screen. Looks less like a spit more like a 'comment'. Makes the tribunal decision all the more puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What about Hayes being injured then being able to jump up and chase Paton within nanoseconds? Reckon Paton called him a cheat or words to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Just saw it on the STV news, first time I've seen it in HD on such a large screen. Looks less like a spit more like a 'comment'. Makes the tribunal decision all the more puzzling.I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 So this week, Scottish football has seen someone resign and have their wages doubled as a result, Aberdeen write off their debt, and a player found guilty of spitting on a victim who said it never happened. WTF is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think there is a direct correlation between how the clubs should act in relation to the incidents. If Celtic believe their player is innocent why should they punish him further? Same applies to United and Paton. IMO both clubs should accept there was sufficient evidence to support the tribunals' decisions and apply internal discipline accordingly. And you're entitled to that opinion, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby82 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 You have to assume that they have some form of video evidence which shows him spitting. Nah, I'll just assume that the SFA have fucked up again, but thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What are you guys' thoughts about the upcoming derby? Naturally, being on the dark blue side I'm none too optimistic. The last minute league cup winner was hard to swallow and we're struggling a bit with injuries at the moment. Nonetheless, we play better at Tannadice so I guess there's every chance. In reality a draw would be good for us but no one wants a draw against their rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What are you guys' thoughts about the upcoming derby? Naturally, being on the dark blue side I'm none too optimistic. The last minute league cup winner was hard to swallow and we're struggling a bit with injuries at the moment. Nonetheless, we play better at Tannadice so I guess there's every chance. In reality a draw would be good for us but no one wants a draw against their rivals. I have 'the fear' about our festive run of games. Not confident in the slightest after the debacle of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm in the Jim Mclean fair play upper with restricted view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainkev Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What are you guys' thoughts about the upcoming derby? Naturally, being on the dark blue side I'm none too optimistic. The last minute league cup winner was hard to swallow and we're struggling a bit with injuries at the moment. Nonetheless, we play better at Tannadice so I guess there's every chance. In reality a draw would be good for us but no one wants a draw against their rivals. I'm not particularly optimistic but I'm not overly worried either. I fully anticipate us getting a hammering from Celtic on sunday and given that we lost to Aberdeen this saturday past, if we lost on new years day then we would have gone from being unbeaten at home this season to losing three on the trot and my gut feeling is that won't happen. I admit it's not the most rational of arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm in the accept it and move on camp. Paton was already due to miss the St Johnstone game due to going over the disciplinary points threshold. Celtic as always is a game to nothing for United. Gives somebody else a chance of tasting defeat to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 As far as im concerned, regardless of the result on Sunday, the outcome of this hearing is unacceptable. Thats 3 times in the space of a fortnight we have been shafted and its not fucking on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 As far as im concerned, regardless of the result on Sunday, the outcome of this hearing is unacceptable. Thats 3 times in the space of a fortnight we have been shafted and its not fucking on ^^^^^Head explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 ^^^^^Head explosion. Still mopping up the pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedruleFTD83 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Just saw it on the STV news, first time I've seen it in HD on such a large screen. Looks less like a spit more like a 'comment'. Makes the tribunal decision all the more puzzling. It's always looked like he said something and never looked like a spit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 What the actual f**k. Laughing stock of a football association, hope and expect United to fight it tooth and nail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weesiecodal Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 What the actual f**k. Laughing stock of a football association, hope and expect United to fight it tooth and nail. Where? How? Apparently there's no right of appeal with fast track cases. I'd usually just advocate taking it the chin (substantial chin it is too), shutting up and getting on with it, but this decision reeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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