Aim Here Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Master said: I was pointed to this thread from the Dundee one where we were informed that RandomGuy was talking shite. He is. On more than one count. The angle isn't the best, but I'm going to say offside - and this frame (from YouTube) gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt because he's further forward in the next one. What is that middle perspective line trying to show? As far as I can tell, it's saying nothing at all. The ball is what's playing the attacker onside, if anything, and the perspective line isn't going through the ball and it's going through the attacker's arse, which is a couple of feet off the ground. The perspective lines from the pitch markings don't work when trying to compare objects at different heights (e.g. you can put an Accies player standing bolt upright in a clearly onside position in the penalty box semicircle where the same perspective line goes through his arse too). Draw the perspective line through the ball and see what happens. Edited February 28, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Aim Here said: What is that middle perspective line trying to show? As far as I can tell, it's saying nothing at all. The ball is what's playing the attacker onside, if anything, and the perspective line isn't going through the ball and it's going through the attacker's arse, which is a couple of feet off the ground. The perspective lines from the pitch markings don't work when trying to compare objects at different heights (e.g. you can put an Accies player standing bolt upright in a clearly onside position in the penalty box semicircle where the same perspective line goes through his arse too). Draw the perspective line through the ball and see what happens. There's no need to put a line through the ball if the ball (and the 2nd last defender) are clearly behind the line on the attacker. The current line is drawn on top of the attacker's left knee which protrudes just far enough in front of his body to be able to see it. Here's the original screenshot I used. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Why do people keep posting a picture of the Hamilton player in a blatantly offside position as evidence he's not offside? And being 'in the box' has nowt to do with the offside rule that I know of.How come you haven't asked how a striker who is clearly running manages to "remain in virtually the same position "? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Master said: There's no need to put a line through the ball if the ball (and the 2nd last defender) are clearly behind the line on the attacker. The current line is drawn on top of the attacker's left knee which protrudes just far enough in front of his body to be able to see it. Here's the original screenshot I used. The attacker's left knee is clearly high off the ground and therefore it's misleading and wrong to compare a perspective line directly through it with the two from the lines on the pitch, just as it's wrong to draw one through his arse. The correct point for a perspective analysis of the type you're suggesting would be the point on the ground surface which is directly below the knee, and it's not immediately obvious exactly where that is or which side of the perspective line going through the ball (technically, the point where the ball touches the ground) it would happen to be. You would have to invoke some biomechanics, the frustrum dimensions of the Sky Sports television camera's field of view and the dick-to-floor measurement of the Accies player in question to get a reasonable estimate. Your methodology of choosing any old point on the attacker's body and drawing the perspective line straight through it, regardless of whether it's on the ground would also apply to the attacker's head, which, by your method and the laws of the game, would be even more offside, and even you would have to accept that as absurd. Edited February 28, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Great stuff lads, it's no as it reading about Hearts didn't already make me want to kill myself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JamieThomas said: Great stuff lads, it's no as it reading about Hearts didn't already make me want to kill myself You guys won't be needing the Premiership team thread much longer, so we might as well make use of it for teaching the finer points of 3D perspective geometry and the offside rule. Edited February 28, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aim Here said: The attacker's left knee is clearly high off the ground and therefore it's misleading and wrong to compare a perspective line directly through it with the two from the lines on the pitch, just as it's wrong to draw one through his arse. The correct point for a perspective analysis of the type you're suggesting would be the point on the ground surface which is directly below the knee, and it's not immediately obvious exactly where that is or which side of the perspective line going through the ball (technically, the point where the ball touches the ground) it would happen to be. You would have to invoke some biomechanics, the frustrum dimensions of the Sky Sports television camera's field of view and the dick-to-floor measurement of the Accies player in question to get a reasonable estimate. Your methodology of choosing any old point on the attacker's body and drawing the perspective line straight through it, regardless of whether it's on the ground would also apply to the attacker's head, which, by your method and the laws of the game, would be even more offside, and even you would have to accept that as absurd. You do realise I'm not pretending to be Hawkeye or anything and was really just trying to show precisely how much of an arse @RandomGuy was being in this thread? In the absence of an angle from the 18 yard line, it's impossible to draw any concrete conclusions. You make do with what's available. Edited February 28, 2020 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 21 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: If hes behind his team mate when the balls passed, and it still hadnt been passed in that still, then hes onside. Eh yes. And since he isn't behind his team mate when the ball is passed, he's offside. Your insistence that he is offisde, in the face of actual evidence otherwise is pretty baflfing, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, lennyzer0 said: Eh yes. And since he isn't behind his team mate when the ball is passed, he's offside. Your insistence that he is offisde, in the face of actual evidence otherwise is pretty baflfing, tbh. Being behind your teammate is irrelevant - it's whether you're behind the ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, craigkillie said: Being behind your teammate is irrelevant - it's whether you're behind the ball. There is a maroon sock sticking out and that is stuck to a football boot which is the last to touch the ball before reaching the man in the middle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: There is a maroon sock sticking out and that is stuck to a football boot which is the last to touch the ball before reaching the man in the middle. Its amazing folk who follow football for years and years don't know the offside rule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dele said: Its amazing folk who follow football for years and years don't know the offside rule. C'mon now, the hearts player passes the ball to the player in the other team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Some conversation this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 The last 24 hours on this thread couldn't have been any more harrowing than if the ghost of Cyril Smith had sex with a 12 year old offside rule. Please stop. Please. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 The Sun with another story of froth and pish, I see. Like i'm gonna buy or click on that shit. Not as low as hacking a dead schoolgirl's phone though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 So that reported major dressing room fall out seems to have worked wonders. The squad should fall out more often I suggest they play Monopoly after training 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 01/03/2020 at 09:24, topcat(The most tip top) said: So that reported major dressing room fall out seems to have worked wonders. The squad should fall out more often I suggest they play Monopoly after training That perfectly marshalled back line really made Stendel's training methods look silly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Ha Ha ya dicks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, Romeo said: Ha Ha ya I love sucking dicks. ftfy m8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, LincolnHearts said: Hibs are the best team FTFY -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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