senorsoupe Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Question for any potential new Hearts manager is whether or not they can/are willing to work with Craig Levein. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Shame the Cathro appointment never worked out and still think it was a gamble worth taking. If Boyd et al had simply said it's a gamble they felt wouldn't work out then fair enough, but he had a go at him personally and dismissed modern methodology because it was something he wasn't used to seeing. Just because Cathro never worked out doesn't mean people with no playing background can't manage, it's the same argument when the Scotland job comes up that we shouldn't go for a foreigner because Vogts was a disaster. Some of the shouts for the new manager are woeful. I hope we go for someone who isn't an ex-Hearts player tbh, sick of ending up annoyed at people I once liked. I'd like to see Archibald but not sure if he'll even be in the running. Boyd's prediction would look smarter if he hadn't shown his working I suspect that we may well bring in someone from Continental Europe that we've never heard of rather than the names that are being bandied around here. The long term objective is supposedly to play modern, European football in the somewhat brutish environment of the SPFL The most recent attempt failed but I doubt we're going to give up on that ambition just yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
List_of_Jericho Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Tommy Wright or Alan Archibald? As other posters have said, the Levein factor will probably put a lot of guys off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 What kind of bent over backwards logic is this? You don't want Hearts to go for Hartley because he'd improve Hearts but you'd be happy for Tommy Wright - who's a much better manager than Hartley - to go there? [emoji38] Tommy Wright is a Stuart McCall/Terry Butcher style manager in that he's found his fit and is a very, very good manager at the club he's at but I reckon as soon as he leaves St Johnstone he will flop. Hearts fans won't tolerate his dreadful style of football either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Hearts are going to improve no matter who takes over therefore it's better if one of our other rivals gets fucked up. Simples. Also this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Tommy Wright is a Stuart McCall/Terry Butcher style manager in that he's found his fit and is a very, very good manager at the club he's at but I reckon as soon as he leaves St Johnstone he will flop. Hearts fans won't tolerate his dreadful style of football either. Paul Hartley's long ball to a big target man style is extremely attractive right enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Paul Hartley's long ball to a big target man style is extremely attractive right enough. Hartley done that out of necessity. His style with us for the majority of his time with us was a swashbuckling, free-living attacking team. He just floundered towards the end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just now, Dominique Malonga said: Ann Budge has a Mason Verger look about her Has she fed Cathro to the pigs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique Malonga Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Ann Budge has a Mason Verger look about her 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Tommy Wright is a Stuart McCall/Terry Butcher style manager in that he's found his fit and is a very, very good manager at the club he's at but I reckon as soon as he leaves St Johnstone he will flop. Hearts fans won't tolerate his dreadful style of football either. That's an opinion thought that I've had in mind for a couple of years now. St Johnstone have had a succession of good managers (Coyle, McInnes, Lomas) who have had rather a mixed record since leaving Perth. Is there something in the set up at St Johnstone that allows a manager to flourish? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominique Malonga Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Has she fed Cathro to the pigs? It appears so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Hartley done that out of necessity. His style with us for the majority of his time with us was a swashbuckling, free-living attacking team. He just floundered towards the end. Yet our dreadful style of football still resulted in more goals for us and marginally less against in comparison to Dundee the season before as well, and that's with Dundee having 2 POTY nominees in their side. Hartley was and is a shite manager. He rage quit at Alloa after a home horsing against Dumbarton, took Dundee forwards to begin with before dragging backwards within a couple of years and ended up getting sacked there. If he gets the Hearts job, it's the very definition of falling upwards. Edited August 1, 2017 by Kyle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It's a piece of piss managing a club like St Johnstone where there is basically zero expectation. Reckon Wright would crumble about as fast as Cathro at a non provincial club. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Yet our dreadful style of football still resulted in more goals for us and marginally less against in comparison to Dundee the season before as well, and that's with Dundee having 2 POTY nominees in their side. Hartley was and is a shite manager. He rage quit at Alloa after a home horsing against Dumbarton, took Dundee forwards to begin with before dragging backwards within a couple of years and ended up getting sacked there. If he gets the Hearts job, it's the very definition of falling upwards. What's that got to do with my original post? Yes, he will be falling upwards and doesn't necessarily deserve the job but that doesn't take away from the fact I think he'd do well for Hearts. The assertion that he's a poor manager is a ridiculous one. He had continual success until last season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 That's an opinion thought that I've had in mind for a couple of years now. St Johnstone have had a succession of good managers (Coyle, McInnes, Lomas) who have had rather a mixed record since leaving Perth. Is there something in the set up at St Johnstone that allows a manager to flourish? They are similar to Southampton in England, constantly seem to over achieve despite having players and managers stripped from them. Lot of praise has to go to those on the board in Perth. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Only one man for it... More qualified than Cathro tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Unfortunately Cathro will probably now become the Berti Vogts of Scottish club football...'We can't go down the fresh approach route. Don't forget what happened with Ian Cathro. We'd be better giving Sandy Clark/Barry Ferguson/Maurice Malpas the job'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 It baffles me so many are suggesting Alex Neil. Who's Alex Neil? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Ludo*1 said: What's that got to do with my original post? Yes, he will be falling upwards and doesn't necessarily deserve the job but that doesn't take away from the fact I think he'd do well for Hearts. The assertion that he's a poor manager is a ridiculous one. He had continual success until last season. I'm not sure that finishing bottom 6 with a top 6 budget and failing miserably in the cups can be considered successful to be honest. I suppose he did fluke a top 6 in his first season up with Dundee, and he kept a Dundee side at the top of the championship on course to win it, so there is that. Having worked with Levein before, Hartley will be one of the candidates I don't doubt. The fact he's more than happy to persist with hoofball if necessary aligns with Levein's squad and it certainly looks a better fit than Cathro ever did. I'm not sure that Hartley is enough of a yes man in the long term though, so we'll see how long that working relationship lasts if he does get the job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 32 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: Shame the Cathro appointment never worked out and still think it was a gamble worth taking. If Boyd et al had simply said it's a gamble they felt wouldn't work out then fair enough, but he had a go at him personally and dismissed modern methodology because it was something he wasn't used to seeing. Just because Cathro never worked out doesn't mean people with no playing background can't manage, it's the same argument when the Scotland job comes up that we shouldn't go for a foreigner because Vogts was a disaster. Some of the shouts for the new manager are woeful. I hope we go for someone who isn't an ex-Hearts player tbh, sick of ending up annoyed at people I once liked. I'd like to see Archibald but not sure if he'll even be in the running. Good shout Cathro did deserve the chance, he's clearly a knowledgeable coach, but just isn't up to the job of being a manager. It's just disappointing for everyone else that Hearts didn't stick with him for a little bit longer, as his tenure has been thoroughly entertaining for the rest of Scottish football. Seriously, it's been good to hear some in-depth chat of a team that aren't Celtic or Rangers, and Cathro/Hearts have been good for that. Hope you don't go for either Wright or Archibald, but just about anyone has to be an improvement on Cathro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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