RossBFaeDundee Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Speroni*1 said: Unlikely, but McPake still has a chance to be a success for Dundee. If he's not, let Strachan pick the next manager, unless he picks Mark McGhee, then let us pick the new manager by poll. McPake was finally hitting his stride as the season suddenly stopped. If I hear anyone fucking moaning about him over the course of this long summer, I'm just hitting the mute button. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel wickson Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, weetoonlad said: We will see in the Coming days what Dundee has brokered with the spfl 14 12 12 12 Long way to go on this one Guys am sure some clubs will be already speaking to their legal team So, eight new clubs you say... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 If John Nelms master-plan is impending league reconstruction this would probably consist of a top league of 14 resulting in no apparent benefit to ourselves, having already given up on this season's play-offs etc. This can only mean he currently has no faith in James McPake operating in, say even a top league of 16 (if argued for) without us potentially being relegation fodder again. This however could result in us having a supposed "easier" time next season in the Championship and if going well means decent crowds whilst also giving time for a rookie manager to hopefully learn his trade. That's if reconstruction actually occurs otherwise hello Jam Tarts next season. Less than professional though reversing the original vote and can't help but feel he's been like a rabbit in the headlights! Early days yet though, more to come. Best regards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Going onto a rangers forum to get a photo of the United manager to come onto the Dundee topic and post it. U alryt m8? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 We winning the league next season lads!? Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 See you next season boys may the best team win 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 This is the way I see it... Nelms and everyone else were given only 2 days to make a huge decision. We, as a club, had absolutely nothing to gain by voting for it and with the ever increasing likelihood that no more games were going to be played this season, we had nothing to gain by voting against it. The only reason we were ever going to vote against it was because it was totally wrong to relegate clubs on the back of this vote with zero plans on how the discussion on reconstruction would be instigated. So on to the vote... A few clubs, including ours, came to an agreement to vote no. As the votes come in it emerges that 2 of the Premier teams that agreed to vote no, along with confusion on our vote arriving, we decide to use the written rules of the vote and retract our 'No' vote and use more of the allotted time to try and reach an agreement with other clubs to get more contingency plans in place on result of a yes vote. Within 2 days the SPFL are scrambling to get a reconstruction task force together, I truly believe that this was down to Nelms proposals.. After some reassurance from other Clubs (lets face it, this is all we can go on) we go ahead and vote 'Yes'. Like I said, it would make zero difference what way we voted as a 16 team top league will never be on the cards. I truly believe Nelms has done all can to try and improve the fates of the possibly relegated teams, this is not his responsibility though. I hope this does work out for Hearts, Partick, Stranraer and has a positive effect on Falkirk and ICT with a 14 team top league set up. If it doesn't, it's not down to Nelms for not trying. Thank you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallanandFlanagan Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Can anyone please explain to me why Rangers fans are angrier with Dundee than any of the other clubs who voted Yes. I don't get it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, johnnydun said: This is the way I see it... Nelms and everyone else were given only 2 days to make a huge decision. We, as a club, had absolutely nothing to gain by voting for it and with the ever increasing likelihood that no more games were going to be played this season, we had nothing to gain by voting against it. The only reason we were ever going to vote against it was because it was totally wrong to relegate clubs on the back of this vote with zero plans on how the discussion on reconstruction would be instigated. So on to the vote... A few clubs, including ours, came to an agreement to vote no. As the votes come in it emerges that 2 of the Premier teams that agreed to vote no, along with confusion on our vote arriving, we decide to use the written rules of the vote and retract our 'No' vote and use more of the allotted time to try and reach an agreement with other clubs to get more contingency plans in place on result of a yes vote. Within 2 days the SPFL are scrambling to get a reconstruction task force together, I truly believe that this was down to Nelms proposals.. After some reassurance from other Clubs (lets face it, this is all we can go on) we go ahead and vote 'Yes'. Like I said, it would make zero difference what way we voted as a 16 team top league will never be on the cards. I truly believe Nelms has done all can to try and improve the fates of the possibly relegated teams, this is not his responsibility though. I hope this does work out for Hearts, Partick, Stranraer and has a positive effect on Falkirk and ICT with a 14 team top league set up. If it doesn't, it's not down to Nelms for not trying. Thank you. You say he wanted to help then why not withhold vote until restructuring resolution was passed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, kerly said: You say he wanted to help then why not withhold vote until restructuring resolution was passed To get the majority on clubs on board, they would have required us to vote yes first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, kerly said: You say he wanted to help then why not withhold vote until restructuring resolution was passed The top flight can only be restructured of a vote from the 12 teams, which is an 11-1 system. All Dundee could realistically do is get a "taskforce" set up, with existing Premiership sides, to have genuine talks about how best to do it. Presumably the SPFL board being involved means the Premiership clubs have to take part. I don't think reconstruction will happen, as I can fully imagine 2 top flight sides opposing it down to nothing more than worrying they'll lose out on money, but I'm not quite sure what you expected Dundee to actually do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weetoonlad Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, lionel wickson said: So, eight new clubs you say... No two new clubs Kelty and Brora move Dundee utd up with Inverness to make a 14 top div The other three div all 12 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, weetoonlad said: No two new clubs Kelty and Brora move Dundee utd up with Inverness to make a 14 top div The other three div all 12 Try again.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The top flight can only be restructured of a vote from the 12 teams, which is an 11-1 system. All Dundee could realistically do is get a "taskforce" set up, with existing Premiership sides, to have genuine talks about how best to do it. Presumably the SPFL board being involved means the Premiership clubs have to take part. I don't think reconstruction will happen, as I can fully imagine 2 top flight sides opposing it down to nothing more than worrying they'll lose out on money, but I'm not quite sure what you expected Dundee to actually do? The only thing I can think is that some deal has been done behind the scenes - the problem with that is that you could trust them to honour it as far as you could throw them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The only thing I can think is that some deal has been done behind the scenes - the problem with that is that you could trust them to honour it as far as you could throw them. Pretty much. The words of football chairmen, especially Scottish Premiership ones, is virtually worthless. All in, in retrospect, this is probably all you could realistically do if you genuinely only wanted reconstruction. I just wonder about Hamiltons chairman being a major player in this "taskforce". They were one of the clubs I'd expect to oppose it, simply because they'd be against reducing their potential income. Could mean theres more chance of it happening than I thought, or it'll be fucked before its started. As a sidenote, I wouldn't trust Budge in the slightest either. Don't be stunned if she suggests a temporary 14 team top flight that reverts back to 12 next Summer. Edited April 15, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weetoonlad Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Try again.... Well I don't fucken know 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Pretty much. The words of DUNDEE chairmen,is virtually worthless. All in, in retrospect, this is probably all you could realistically do if you genuinely only wanted reconstruction. I just wonder about Hamiltons chairman being a major player in this "taskforce". They were one of the clubs I'd expect to oppose it, simply because they'd be against reducing their potential income. Could mean theres more chance of it happening than I thought, or it'll be fucked before its started. As a sidenote, I wouldn't trust Budge in the slightest either. Don't be stunned if she suggests a temporary 14 team top flight that reverts back to 12 next Summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: All in, in retrospect, this is probably all you could realistically do if you genuinely only wanted reconstruction. I just wonder about Hamiltons chairman being a major player in this "taskforce". They were one of the clubs I'd expect to oppose it, simply because they'd be against reducing their potential income. Perhaps see it as the way I see Dundee looking at it in the long-term, as would many clubs who could find themselves in relegation trouble in the future: extra security in the Premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 https://www.falkirkfc.co.uk/2020/04/15/club-statement-11/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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