laughinglady Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Does any of that make any sense? As an analogy it's a bit of a mess. You are conflating the national team and separate club sides. Taking your analogy back to the world of politics you seem to be saying that so long as we pay our taxes then have some of them gifted back to us but without full control over our affairs then that's OK. Well I disagree and at present there is a sizeable amount of people who don't agree with that viewpoint. Tell you what let's look at the analogy another way, in a much simpler form. As Scotland has it's own football team, independent of the English, Welsh and Northern Irish FAs. Is there a desire for there to be a Team GB that replaces that? As an already independent country represented within FIFA is there any call from Scots to give that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. MIND.BLOWN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 This is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. Wacky Backy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughinglady Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 N.B. In this analogy the people are the players, not the supporters! Players sadly aren't loyal like supporters are, they go where the money is. The indyref isn't like normal politics so people are thinking like fans. When we go back to the real world, whether it's in the UK or in iScotland, we go back to being players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 N.B. In this analogy the people are the players, not the supporters! Players sadly aren't loyal like supporters are, they go where the money is. The indyref isn't like normal politics so people are thinking like fans. When we go back to the real world, whether it's in the UK or in iScotland, we go back to being players. Aye that clarrifies it. All makes sense to me now... I really don't know why I struggled with it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Yes, I suppose it is an analogy. A really terrible analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Let's try this again. Team GB has a one player who is punching above his weight. As a whole, he contributes more to the team than he's getting back; he's European-class and knows it. The manager desperately wants to keep him, and has tried every trick in the book to get him to stay (most despicably, saying both in private to him and in the papers that he isn't all that and would get found out elsewhere). The local press are entirely complicit in this, knowing full well that once he leaves he'll never look back. He can either hold his own career back for a team that has relied on him to carry them for years, or he can get out of there and find his true level in the world. You are that player. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Imagine that countries are football teams. At the moment we're in team UK. I know there's no actual UK team but this is an analogy. We're not doing as well as we used to. There are a lot of really good, really hungry new teams around eg China, India. But team UK is soldiering on like most teams do, still doing OK although there are problems no doubt. Any manager would tell you that the single most important thing is morale. All the players have to pull together and play effectively as a team. Even if you have some good players they're not going to do much if they're all just out for individual glory, or if they don't get on. In the actual UK let's say half the Scottish population, about 2.6m out of 64m, really aren't happy and want out - a transfer or whatever. That's the equivalent of 0.45 of a player in a team of 11. Having this schizo player in the team could sure do a lot of damage and you'd be better off without him, but once he'd gone you'd be fine without him. What about team iScotland? How's morale? Well, half the f---ing team don't want to be there. Not going to be good. Really not good at all, ask any football manager. Total disaster. Also quite a few of your best (best paid) players are probably going to leave and join team rUK because that's where the big money is. Also that will continue for ever, your best talent is going to be poached by team rUK because that's where the big money is. P.S. I know someone's going to say that the best players leave Scotland anyway. But this is an analogy. In the real world Scots who go to London to make their fortune are still in the same country, so they're contributing to the same economy, still paying taxes some of which come back to us. The Barnett formula sort of addresses that. In iScotland they'd just go and all their energy and taxes would go to team rUK. Etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Let's try this again. Team GB has a one player who is punching above his weight. As a whole, he contributes more to the team than he's getting back; he's European-class and knows it. The manager desperately wants to keep him, and has tried every trick in the book to get him to stay (most despicably, saying both in private to him and in the papers that he isn't all that and would get found out elsewhere). The local press are entirely complicit in this, knowing full well that once he leaves he'll never look back. He can either hold his own career back for a team that has relied on him to carry them for years, or he can get out of there and find his true level in the world. You are that player. What would you do? Hope that I didn't make the move and then break my leg in my first game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Hope that I didn't make the move and then break my leg in my first game! Why are you more likely to break your leg after moving? Imagine if you stayed and you broek both your legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 JUST IMAGINE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughinglady Posted September 8, 2014 Author Share Posted September 8, 2014 Dear Casual Bystander: P1 No I'm not. P2 This a separate point but it isn't an analogy. What you say is true but it has limited implications because football isn't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Where the fu¢k do we get them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el buitre Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Let's try this again. Team GB has a one player who is punching above his weight. As a whole, he contributes more to the team than he's getting back; he's European-class and knows it. The manager desperately wants to keep him, and has tried every trick in the book to get him to stay (most despicably, saying both in private to him and in the papers that he isn't all that and would get found out elsewhere). The local press are entirely complicit in this, knowing full well that once he leaves he'll never look back. He can either hold his own career back for a team that has relied on him to carry them for years, or he can get out of there and find his true level in the world. You are that player. What would you do? Ask steven gerrard, hes been carrying liverpool for years :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el buitre Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Im sure gerrard regrets not joining chelsea and winning the league/champions league/europa cup. Independence it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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