Well Well Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 So not the Labour party then? What are you going on about..Labour voters have turned their back on the Labour/Tory party as there is no difference anymore. They have very clearly and publicly deserted their socialist roots. A new Scottish Labour party could be resurgent in an Independent Scotland if they actually remember who and what they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Oh I'm sorry mate. I only respond to people who have some dignity Good. I don't. That's why I'm talking to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Good. I don't. That's why I'm talking to you. No. It's because you have some fellow bullies. Prior to that you wanted to hide (reference to the other thread). Your posts contain rude insults, petty abuse or point scoring. It is a shame that you can't see that. In any environment some people are failures on multiple levels irrespective of any political or economic climate. I'll leave you with that and that's got nothing to do with Yes or BT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 No. It's because you have some fellow bullies. Prior to that you wanted to hide (reference to the other thread). Your posts contain rude insults, petty abuse or point scoring. It is a shame that you can't see that. In any environment some people are failures on multiple levels irrespective of any political or economic climate. I'll leave you with that and that's got nothing to do with Yes or BT No, I simply said on the other thread that I was not going to denegrate that girls fantastic achievement on the other thread by arguing with you further. I'm more than happy to argue with you on every other thread. I'm not surprised you're angry. It can't be easy be spineless, ashamed AND hating Salmond all at the same time. You need to address that, stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 It is an uncomfortable truth for the Yes campaign that Salmond and the SNP have been bedfellows with some very dodgy characters - Fred Goodwin, Rupert Murdoch, Brian Souter. Yessers get very touchy when you mention this, probably because it threatens their worldview that a Yes means a better way of doing politics. However, it is also an uncomfortable truth for No that most of the key players in Better Together are just as deeply in bed with the same kind of people (in many cases the actual same people). Neither side is really in a position to take political advantage of it, it's quite funny to watch them try to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 No. It's because you have some fellow bullies. Prior to that you wanted to hide (reference to the other thread). Your posts contain rude insults, petty abuse or point scoring. It is a shame that you can't see that. In any environment some people are failures on multiple levels irrespective of any political or economic climate. I'll leave you with that and that's got nothing to do with Yes or BT Ahh he then pulls the victim card out his sleeve...whatever next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 It is an uncomfortable truth for the Yes campaign that Salmond and the SNP have been bedfellows with some very dodgy characters - Fred Goodwin, Rupert Murdoch, Brian Souter. Yessers get very touchy when you mention this, probably because it threatens their worldview that a Yes means a better way of doing politics. However, it is also an uncomfortable truth for No that most of the key players in Better Together are just as deeply in bed with the same kind of people (in many cases the actual same people). Neither side is really in a position to take political advantage of it, it's quite funny to watch them try to be honest. I think BTUKOK edge it on this score. BNP Orange Order Britannica Party George Galloway Westminster House of Lords I know I sleep sound at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ahh he then pulls the victim card out his sleeve...whatever next My posts are based on subjects under discussion and if that includes pointing out mobbing then that's what I've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Your posts contain rude insults, petty abuse or point scoring. It is a shame that you can't see that. In any environment some people are failures on multiple levels irrespective of any political or economic climate. I'll leave you with that and that's got nothing to do with Yes or BT Oh, dear, looks like Banterous is not happy when his poorly thought out political rhetoric doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 My posts are based on subjects under discussion and if that includes pointing out mobbing then that's what I've done. Yeah we're awful bullies. A couple of us giving you a dose of realism. Compare that to the underhanded, immoral, nasty onslaught of the British establishment and MSM against the Yes campaign. It's like comparing an atom with a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Neither side is really in a position to take political advantage of it, it's quite funny to watch them try to be honest. There are certainly no winners in the whole sorry saga. Oh, wait there are, bankers. The same bankers who are now telling us there is going to be a great depression if Scotland votes for independence. Do you see the contradictions there? While you are right there is nobody untouched, I don't think you can call Yes voters for being touchy when shit like this thread is brought up and it's pointed out that Better Together has significantly more involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Bet Goodwin supports the Union. Says it all. Speculation, but Goodwin's mentor is a Yes campaigner. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28641991 As to his mentoring http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ian-fraser-mathewson-sowed-seeds-destruction-fred-shred-goodwins-reign-terror-rbs-1455224 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Speculation, but Goodwin's mentor is a Yes campaigner. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28641991 Brilliant. So a man who is friends with Fred Goodwin tells the markets to stop their scaremongering equates to Fred Goodwin supporting independence. My God, man, could you possibly be more tenuous in a link. Maybe Fred Goodwin's office cleaner has a brother that once wore a yes badge for a couple of days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I think BTUKOK edge it on this score. BNP Orange Order Britannica Party George Galloway Westminster House of Lords I know I sleep sound at night. I absolutely guarantee you that Alastair Darling and the rest of Better Together hq do not want the likes of the BNP, the Orange Order, or the Britanica party to be sticking their oar in. They're definitely not comfortable bedfellows. It's a straw man from the behalf of Yes to suggest that the BNP are somehow a welcome part of Better Together. Ordinary No supporters (they do exist) are utterly horrified by them. Sadly you can't stop arseholes from siding with you. Is the Yes campaign glad to have the support of the anti-English bigots from Scotland? No, of course it isn't, but it can't magically make them disappear and it's not fair to suggest they're anything other than an unwelcome minority. I'm fully willing to accept that BT has dubious links with the media, with big businesses, and has colluded with some dodgy characters. However I'm not willing to accept that BNP or Britanica are anymore than a sideshow that no one wants at the table. That's just FUD and mudslinging of a standard that Better Together would be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I absolutely guarantee you that Alastair Darling and the rest of Better Together hq do not want the likes of the BNP, the Orange Order, or the Britanica party to be sticking their oar in. They're definitely not comfortable bedfellows. It's a straw man from the behalf of Yes to suggest that the BNP are somehow a welcome part of Better Together. Ordinary No supporters (they do exist) are utterly horrified by them. Sadly you can't stop arseholes from siding with you. Sorry but as it is, the No vote relies on the support of those who represent abhorrent, racist and xenophobic attitudes. There is no point in trying to dismiss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Sorry but as it is, the No vote relies on the support of those who represent abhorrent, racist and xenophobic attitudes. There is no point in trying to dismiss that. How many Scots are going to vote No because they support the BNP or Britannica Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 How many Scots are going to vote No because they support the BNP or Britannica Party? UKIP? Orange Order? UKIP polled over 100,000 votes in the EU elections. Are you claiming that the Orange Order doesn't have significant support in the Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 UKIP? Orange Order? UKIP polled over 100,000 votes in the EU elections. Are you claiming that the Orange Order doesn't have significant support in the Scotland? Confidemus didn't mention UKIP, he listed the BNP and the Britannica Party as if they were in any way a relevant or indeed welcome part of Better Together. I don't really know what you expect Better Together to do re: the Orange Order. Yes, those people are abhorrent and yes, lots and lots and lots of them will vote No. But what do you expect BT to do about it? They can't magic them away any more than Yes Scotland can magic away the support of the idiots who blame the English for everything. BT have done a lot of despicable things in the last eighteen months, but I haven't seen anything from them which has been designed to specifically appeal to the BNP, the Britannica Party, or the Orange Order. I've seen nothing from them that makes me think these groups are particularly welcome in the No camp. BT should be condemned for the things they've actually done, not for the lunatics who have also chosen to support No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I don't really know what you expect Better Together to do re: the Orange Order. You need to remember this all came from your initial comment of: It is an uncomfortable truth for the Yes campaign that Salmond and the SNP have been bedfellows with some very dodgy characters... This is why Orange Order, UKIP, BNP, etc got mentioned. It's not a pissing contest, but I think it's entirely right of reply to point out the obvious deviants that are lining up to drape themselves in a Union Jack for a cause that really has nothing to do with Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Is Banterous in fact, Lord Jack McConnell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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