Let Give The Labour Party A Kicking In 2015

[Hen Broon]

Let's get rid of this shower of shite. All vote SNP . I have voted Labour all of my life but never again.

[Jamaldo]

Is there any realistic way to get this to happen? What's a realistic number we can look at for SNP MPs?

I'm not worried about 2016 at the moment. By the time that election is done Scottish Labour will wish there had been a Yes vote.

[HibeeJibee]

Is there any realistic way to get this to happen? What's a realistic number we can look at for SNP MPs?

Another thread got onto the topic inadvertently, in some detail, but I can't remember which - so many on the go.

At the optimistic SNP end they could go from 6 seats to 9. At the pessimistic end they face a battle on paper to avoid dropping 1 existing seat.

EDIT: This thread, after the first few posts and mixed-up with discussion about the evaporation (or otherwise) of the Lib Dems:

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/217079-new-governor-general-appointed-for-scottish-region/

By the pollsters classifications they have 1 target seat, Perthshire & Ochil. Discussion seems to think they could also have a shout in Gordon and in Dundee West.

People say "Glasgow!", but it requires fantastic swings:

In Glasgow the [2010] figures were as follows:

Glasgow Central

Labour - 52%

SNP - 17.5%

Glasgow East

Labour - 61.6%

SNP - 24.7%

(This had gone SNP in a 2008 by-election, 43.1% to 41.7%, but swung back massively despite Labour's overall poor performance nationally).

Glasgow North

Labour - 44.5%

(Lib Dems - 31.3%)

SNP - 11.9%

Glasgow North East

Labour - 68.3%

SNP - 14.1%

Glasgow North West

Labour - 54.1%

(Lib Dems - 15.8%)

SNP - 15.3%

Glasgow South

Labour - 51.7%

SNP - 20.1%

Glasgow South West

Labour - 62.5%

SNP - 16.3%

[SodjesSixteenIncher]

As discussed on a few other threads, the prospect of the 1.6m forming a voting bloc is starting to excite me. If we do this half right, 2016 could be amazing watching Labour getting absolutely bukkaked.

Would still anticipate Labour dominating Scotland in 2015 though. Mind you, even a few SNP gains could see Ed losing out on PM because of losses in Labour's serfish flyover region. Which would be a good laugh.

[welshbairn]

So long as we give the Lib Dems a kicking too. Can't stand that smug ginger twat we've got, Douglas Alexander. The man's got no principles, it's clear from his columns in the local papers he'd fellate a pig for a vote.

[Jamaldo]

So long as we give the Lib Dems a kicking too. Can't stand that smug ginger twat we've got, Douglas Alexander. The man's got no principles, it's clear from his columns in the local papers he'd fellate a pig for a vote.

Wrong c**t called Alexander.

[jmothecat]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

[itzdrk]

[vikingTON]

People say "Glasgow!", but it requires fantastic swings:

Fantastic swings that could be delivered, rather easily, by a voting bloc of the 45% uniting to support the SNP.

We're not dealing with a straightforward party to party swing here.

[1320Lichtie]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

Couldn't really care less who's in in WM what fucking difference does it make?

f**k Labour.

[jmothecat]

Couldn't really care less who's in in WM what fucking difference does it make?

f**k Labour.

The differences I listed above.

[vikingTON]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

A vote for Labour is clearly much closer to a vote for the Tories: you stood alongside them on the same platform for two years after all and 2) The turfing of Labour donkeys for SNP candidates doesn't actually change the Tories' position at all. They will get a majority or not regardless of the Scottish outcome: because they are irrelevant in Scottish constituencies.

Thanks for playing anyway.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

Want a freeze on child benefit? Vote Labour.

[1320Lichtie]

The differences I listed above.

Couldn't give a f**k. I'll never vote for them and neither will any of the previous labour voters I know that voted yes.

[SodjesSixteenIncher]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

Yep

RIP Labour.

[itzdrk]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

Hiya pal , I would rather have the Tories than Labour.

never thought I would be saying this until a few months ago. Labour are not someone I've ever voted for but they certainly aren't an alternative to the Tories, they are much worse

[Fudge]

A vote for the SNP is effectively a vote for the Tories. Want to raise the minimum wage, abolish the bedroom tax, avoid an EU referendum or freeze energy prices? Vote Labour.

If you want to give Labour a kicking, do it in 2016 where a vote for the SNP or Greens or Scottish Socialists or whoever you chose won't lead to a Tory government.

If I recall correctly, was there not some sort of recent poll where we could have all but ended Tory rule in our country?

[jmothecat]

A vote for Labour is clearly much closer to a vote for the Tories: you stood alongside them on the same platform for two years after all and 2) The turfing of Labour donkeys for SNP candidates doesn't actually change the Tories' position at all. They will get a majority or not regardless of the Scottish outcome: because they are irrelevant in Scottish constituencies.

Thanks for playing anyway.

Agreeing with them on one issue does not mean we agree with them on other issues, but similarities between the parties isn't my point, my point is that Westminster is a two horse race, we are going to have a Tory government or a Labour government and giving Labour a kicking will only help the Tories. Labour losing seats in Scotland could easily make a difference to our prospects next year.

[Big Rider]

The differences I listed above.

As 1320 Lichtie said, f**k labour!

[HibeeJibee]

So long as we give the Lib Dems a kicking too. Can't stand that smug ginger twat we've got, Douglas Alexander. The man's got no principles, it's clear from his columns in the local papers he'd fellate a pig for a vote.

You say "too" - but giving the Lib Dems a 'kicking' arguably dilutes any Labour 'kicking', as it's Labour who'd be likely to take several Lib Dem seats, e.g. East Dunbartonshire, Edinburgh West, Argyllshire.

Fantastic swings that could be delivered, rather easily, by a voting bloc of the 45% uniting to support the SNP.

Of course. Question is will the 1 in 2 Glaswegians who voted 'Yes' this year, turn-out and vote SNP in the context of the general election next year. That's unclear. I agree it's new territory. Potentially volatile. But a lot of the Labour majorities are very substantial.

As for Ian Murray in Edinburgh South - his slim majority was over the Lib Dems, and the SNP are very weak. I don't see him losing.