forever_blue Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Latest Survation poll puts SNP on 49% for Holyrood election. They won an overall majority on 45% Christ survation polls, anyone getting all nostalgic yet ? When is the yougov one oot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I've just carried out a text search for the phrase "Once in a lifetime" in this forum and about half the results are actually post referendum people telling us that everybody was using that phrase pre referendum. Of the remainder there are very few posts using that phrase to describe the referendum and a lot more posts quoting those posts to explain that they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I can see Labour getting a bit of a doing like never before in Scotland at both the General and Holyrood elections And so.. the brutally poor predictions begin again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The phrase that was said a few times by Sturgeon/Salmond was 'once in a political generation'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I've just carried out a text search for the phrase "Once in a lifetime" in this forum and about half the results are actually post referendum people telling us that everybody was using that phrase pre referendum. Of the remainder there are very few posts using that phrase to describe the referendum and a lot more posts quoting those posts to explain that they're wrong. I think Alex Salmond in a C4 interview described the referendum as a once-in-a-generation thing, but described the opportunity as 'once in a lifetime'. But I also think he was fairly clear to point out that that was just his opinion, and events - he mentioned an EU exit - could change the timetable. Another point: for all the (justified) criticism of some wanting a swift re-run, it should be equally valid to point fingers at those No campaigners who point to the result as 'decisive' and the 'settled will', when they can't even be sure what their voters actually wanted. Was it the status quo; was it more powers or were they unsure of what they wanted? The No side courted all three camps with increasing panic towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingrodent Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think Alex Salmond in a C4 interview described the referendum as a once-in-a-generation thing, but described the opportunity as 'once in a lifetime'. But I also think he was fairly clear to point out that that was just his opinion, and events - he mentioned an EU exit - could change the timetable. Another point: for all the (justified) criticism of some wanting a swift re-run, it should be equally valid to point fingers at those No campaigners who point to the result as 'decisive' and the 'settled will', when they can't even be sure what their voters actually wanted. Was it the status quo; was it more powers or were they unsure of what they wanted? The No side courted all three camps with increasing panic towards the end. I suggest that this probably isn't a helpful line of inquiry for you, given that the Yes camp was offering a caringly socialist business-friendly independent country that exploits its petro-chemical wealth to the full to create an environmentally-responsible future, while retaining all that's best about Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Christ now a once in a lifetime opportunity is something that can just pop up every two or three years now. The only reason this is even an issue is because the No campaign shat themselves over 1 opinion poll and offered more powers in the event of a no vote. If they manage to work together and full fill "The vow" then there will be no basis for another referendum but if they fail to implement the promised changes then all they do is hand the snp a big stick to beat them with and the Indy question will never go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I suggest that this probably isn't a helpful line of inquiry for you, given that the Yes camp was offering a caringly socialist business-friendly independent country that exploits its petro-chemical wealth to the full to create an environmentally-responsible future, while retaining all that's best about Britain. That's not my point. I'm saying you can't suggest something is the 'settled will', if you aren't actually sure what the will was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Could be another referendum if the UK leaves the European Union. But given Scotland's trade is mainly with the UK the same economic arguments from the Scottish referendum would still apply. (meaning No would win again) It still makes more sense for Scotland to be part of a non-EU UK than being an independent member of the European Union. Anyway's, I'd say a realistic time-scale would be about 2035-2040. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 #indyref2 is what the cool kids are calling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 That's not my point. I'm saying you can't suggest something is the 'settled will', if you aren't actually sure what the will was. I think the question last Thursday was really quite explicit. What part of it did you find confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 If someone wants to create a "Scotland Going It Alone without UK and EU" party, they'll get my vote. The 'Too Wee, too poor' patter worked against the last campaign. Real Independence is where it's at. Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 It'll be underway in 12-15 years time I reckon. It can't be any sooner, or folk will be very pissed off and vote No out of spite. It also makes sense to leave it as long as possible considering the ages of those voting No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 2029-2030 has to be the target IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think the question last Thursday was really quite explicit. What part of it did you find confusing? "It doesn't mean no, it really means more powers more quickly but we aren't quite sure what they are but in any case what you're really voting for is a timetable that's been agreed by most of us and anyway if you're not sure vote no too" That bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 "It doesn't mean no, it really means more powers more quickly but we aren't quite sure what they are but in any case what you're really voting for is a timetable that's been agreed by most of us and anyway if you're not sure vote no too" That bit. Certainly wasn't on my ballot paper. Looks like there's something to this vote rigging thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 "It doesn't mean no, it really means more powers more quickly but we aren't quite sure what they are but in any case what you're really voting for is a timetable that's been agreed by most of us and anyway if you're not sure vote no too" That bit. I'm sure I was asked whether Scotland should be an independent country. I said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm sure I was asked whether Scotland should be an independent country. I said no. I question if "the vow" had any effect on the outcome. I have a feeling No would still have been the majority vote, maybe a wee bit closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I question if "the vow" had any effect on the outcome. I have a feeling No would still have been the majority vote, maybe a wee bit closer Ive no idea. It ended up a bit of a buckled lefty scuffle for the so called undecideds in the last week or so, maybe that type of thing impresses them? I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I'm sure I was asked whether Scotland should be an independent country. I said no. Not really a surprise from a UKIP supporter tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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