AyrTroopMajor Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Where has it been stated it's costing £7k to stage a game? Are the police and staff being issued with commemorative gold cigarette lighters for working the game? Players wages Manager wages (lawl) Coaches wages Stewards wages Turnstile Operators wages Production of match programme Groundsman & any additional maintenance staff Catering staff Floodlights Cleaning staff Don't wanna speculate about how much it costs to host a game, but there is a fair amount to pay for each time. Plus you must remember that Somerset, though I love it, is an absolute hovel and needs far more care than your average ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 By the wages for players, management, coaches and groundstaff you're presumably limiting yourself to considering only overtime (and any player appearance bonuses). Their regular salaries would be due whether or not the game was to be replayed and thus would have been funded by the income from the original game and your other 17 home league games together with your other annual income like STs, sponsorship, league prizemoney etc. Does your match programme run at a significant loss? Also, maintaining Somerset Park isn't a match expense, beyond providing soap/toilet-rolls, clearing-up litter afterwards, etc. Even with 'higher security' it still surprises me the utilities, wages of staff and security on the night, and player bonuses = £7k, but if it does = £7k then (IMO) you should be paid £7k. Most easily by Ayr giving in an inventory of costs and income (e.g. programme sales; food sales; hospitality; any gate taken) and being paid the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Players wages Manager wages (lawl) Coaches wages Stewards wages Turnstile Operators wages Production of match programme Groundsman & any additional maintenance staff Catering staff Floodlights Cleaning staff Don't wanna speculate about how much it costs to host a game, but there is a fair amount to pay for each time. Plus you must remember that Somerset, though I love it, is an absolute hovel and needs far more care than your average ground. Players, manager and coaches are paid anyway. They may get an appearance fee for playing the extra game but it's not going to be hundreds. You are a part time team. At £50 per head it's £1,000 max. You don't need to produce a match programme if you don't want to and it's not profitable. Your groundsman, like the players, is paid anyway. He might get some matchday overtime I guess but that's going to be trivial. Your main costs will be police and stewards with some allowance for first aiders and floodlights. And if you pay them, then turnstile attendants too I suppose but an hour or so's labour isn't going to cost thousands. I said earlier it probably doesn't cost any more than £2k absolute max to stage a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Where has it been stated it's costing £7k to stage a game? Are the police and staff being issued with commemorative gold cigarette lighters for working the game? Lachlan Cameron said on the Ayrshire Post this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofixedability Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 You are a part time team. Are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Lachlan Cameron said on the Ayrshire Post this week. Was his quote not £10k rather than £7k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Aye, but is Ayr's heid honcho with his £7k or £10k claim maybe relating how much it costs to run Ayr in a typical fortnight or whatever? As demonstrated, that isn't the same as "match expenses". SD seems to have outlined an apparently reasonable breakdown of such costs... but £7k would be 3.5 times his maximum, and £10k would be 5 times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidkennedyshand Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I saw it mentioned somewhere that in our safety certificate we have to provide higher than normal steward cover in the wooden stand. Haven't a scooby what the breakdown is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk89 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Players, manager and coaches are paid anyway. They may get an appearance fee for playing the extra game but it's not going to be hundreds. You are a part time team. At £50 per head it's £1,000 max. Don't laugh but we're actually full time these days...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Good effort from Cameron. Can just imagine they asked how much they would need to be reimbursed and he just picked a number out the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Frankly, if it cost anything like £7k to stage a single home match, there probably wouldn't be senior football below Championship level in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Remarkable how Lachlan Cameron has been transformed from disinterested deadweight to sage voice of authority among the Ayr support, in the weeks following their latest Walter Mitty character slithered off the scene. Still doesn't make his whining and ludicrous expense claim for rescheduling this match even remotely credible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Historical chat yesterday suggested that only 4 games had previously been ordered replayed in Scottish League history... Coincidence and events at White Hart Lane tonight flagged-up one which was ordered to be replayed, but ultimately wasn't. In 1977 Motherwell were leading Rangers 2-0 when Rangers supporters invaded the Fir Park field 'en masse'. Play was suspended but when it was resumed Rangers went on to win 3-5. An SFA Disciplinary Committee hearing ordered it replayed, but Rangers appealled to the SFL whose Management Committee backed them, and the result stood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPrice Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Good effort from Cameron. Can just imagine they asked how much they would need to be reimbursed and he just picked a number out the air. Considering he isn't involved in the day to day running of the club, i'd say this is probably the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Press & Journal 05/12/14: Peterhead were yesterday punished a second time for playing the banned Reece Donaldson in a game against Ayr United last month. The Blue Toon were hit with a hefty £10,000 fine, with part of it suspended, by the SPFL and ordered to replay the game for the defender’s appearance in their 3-2 win at Somerset Park. However, the SFA last night viewed the crime as only being worthy of a £250 fine which has been suspended in full until the end of the 2015/16 season. The unfortunate Donaldson was told by the SPFL he cannot play in the rearranged game and has now been told by the SFA he has to serve an additional immediate one-match suspension The Blue Toon went to the hearing at Hampden armed with information including dates and times of phone calls which they believed supported their case that a SFA official told them Donaldson was free to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk89 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Press & Journal 05/12/14: Peterhead were yesterday punished a second time for playing the banned Reece Donaldson in a game against Ayr United last month. The Blue Toon were hit with a hefty £10,000 fine, with part of it suspended, by the SPFL and ordered to replay the game for the defender’s appearance in their 3-2 win at Somerset Park. However, the SFA last night viewed the crime as only being worthy of a £250 fine which has been suspended in full until the end of the 2015/16 season. The unfortunate Donaldson was told by the SPFL he cannot play in the rearranged game and has now been told by the SFA he has to serve an additional immediate one-match suspension The Blue Toon went to the hearing at Hampden armed with information including dates and times of phone calls which they believed supported their case that a SFA official told them Donaldson was free to play. You've clearly angered them by providing valid evidence that the governing bodies have made an arse of it. Not sure why he should be facing a further games ban though, surely that's unfair? Can see their point about the replayed game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternapper Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Will be interesting to see what is said in the club statement, going by the SFA part in this it looks to me as if they know they made a mess of the situation but rather than take full responsibility for it gave us a fine & suspended it & the player another one game ban. If the two ruling bodies talk to one another the SPFL should rescind the fine they imposed without having heard any facts about the situation, the game being replayed is ok but again if the fault lay at the SFA they should pay expenses for the clubs to play it. I doubt it will work out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 People gobsmacked that it would cost seven thousand pounds to put on an SPFL1 game in a half-derelict stadium in front of less than a thousand fans would probably see the light if it was pointed out to them that the chairman's charge for putting a bit of corrugated iron over two stands and painting it black and white was £150,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The majority of the costs will be Police and stewarding, are we not classed as a "difficult" support now because of the 3-4 instances of bother We'd gone from a dozen police in the ground and two full mini-buses in the car park, to a couple of police sitting in the conservatory.....a couple of smoke bombs later and every fan is allocated their own policeman on arrival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Oh well looks like we have accepted the punnishment. Maybe it is better to draw a lin under it and call it a day rather than getting us in more bother. Bit of a pity though when we proved we had advise he could play. 'The board of Peterhead F.C. believe that they received a fair and reasonable hearing from the Judicial Panel at Hampden yesterday. The sanctions imposed reflect what was an honest mistake compounded by extenuating circumstances.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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