mjw Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Whataboutery...Do you agree that 16 and 17 year old should need to get parental permission to vote? If not then why does the SNP insist that they should need permission to avoid having to listen to sky fairy talk at school? You made a long winded post about my posts and how you ignore them. If you could keep doing that we'll both be happy. I don't believe sky fairy nonsense should be in our schools at all. If you want brain washed in that go to church. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 This was car crash TV - McDonnell came across as an ass, Soubry (after a good start) when balls out crazy, and Letts was like a parody of a Victorian Tory. The most appalling moment, though, was Dimbleby's "you're a Marxist! You claimed to be a MARXIST!" attack, and the subsequent jeering of the audience, was like something out of the original Manchurian Candidate, or Trumbo. It really was like an unsettling coming to life of the 1960s American Communist witch hunts. What's genuinely worrying is that it was the BBC's flagship weekly politics show - and it was the presenter leading the charge against the evil reds. First post I've read you've ever made that didn't involve accusations of "regionalists".... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, mjw said: You made a long winded post about my posts and how you ignore them. If you could keep doing that we'll both be happy. I don't believe sky fairy nonsense should be in our schools at all. If you want brain washed in that go to church. Nah. I've changed my mind thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 On 15/09/2016 at 23:20, Scary Bear said: Need Ad Lib along to advise if that was slander. STRONGLY advise, surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 This was car crash TV - McDonnell came across as an ass, Soubry (after a good start) when balls out crazy, and Letts was like a parody of a Victorian Tory. The most appalling moment, though, was Dimbleby's "you're a Marxist! You claimed to be a MARXIST!" attack, and the subsequent jeering of the audience, was like something out of the original Manchurian Candidate, or Trumbo. It really was like an unsettling coming to life of the 1960s American Communist witch hunts. What's genuinely worrying is that it was the BBC's flagship weekly politics show - and it was the presenter leading the charge against the evil reds. What a load of shit. McDonnell said it. He was filmed saying he was a Marxist. He was sitting there trying to take the moral highground about 'straight talking, honest politics', then tried to sweep a comment he made under the carpet. He should have either admitted it and argued for it because he said it, or admitted it and explained why he now doesn't believe in it. What happened was McDonnell trying to ignore it and make a joke out of it. The presenter had every right to go for him on it. Dimbleby and others do similar whenever they come across bullshiter politicians. McDonnell has a habit of this. He says something that he really believes, for example about being happy to split the party 'if that's what it takes', then a soft denial or a joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 What a load of shit. McDonnell said it. He was filmed saying he was a Marxist. He was sitting there trying to take the moral highground about 'straight talking, honest politics', then tried to sweep a comment he made under the carpet. He should have either admitted it and argued for it because he said it, or admitted it and explained why he now doesn't believe in it. What happened was McDonnell trying to ignore it and make a joke out of it. The presenter had every right to go for him on it. Dimbleby and others do similar whenever they come across bullshiter politicians. McDonnell has a habit of this. He says something that he really believes, for example about being happy to split the party 'if that's what it takes', then a soft denial or a joke. What McDonnell did was attempt to provide context for his comment while being constantly interrupted by Dimbleby, who appears to have forgotten his role as Chair requires impartiality while maintaining order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 What McDonnell did was attempt to provide context for his comment while being constantly interrupted by Dimbleby, who appears to have forgotten his role as Chair requires impartiality while maintaining order. "Look, I'm straight and honest with people, I'm a Marxist." Maybe he could explain why he's a Marxist, giving some examples why, or why he isn't a Marxist and the comment was a mistake. He did neither and tried to fudge the issue because the comment doesn't suit him anymore. It's all the more laughable when his supporters jump on the 'negotiate with ISIS' line from Smith when there is actually context provided for the comment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, BerwickMad said: What a load of shit. McDonnell said it. He was filmed saying he was a Marxist. He was sitting there trying to take the moral highground about 'straight talking, honest politics', then tried to sweep a comment he made under the carpet. He should have either admitted it and argued for it because he said it, or admitted it and explained why he now doesn't believe in it. What happened was McDonnell trying to ignore it and make a joke out of it. The presenter had every right to go for him on it. Dimbleby and others do similar whenever they come across bullshiter politicians. McDonnell has a habit of this. He says something that he really believes, for example about being happy to split the party 'if that's what it takes', then a soft denial or a joke. I think my post went over your head (as most things do). I wasn't claiming McDonnell had never claimed to be a Marxist or hold Marxist views. I was registering distaste at an "impartial" BBC presenter castigating him for beliefs he might have once held as though he, Dimbleby, was a McCarthyite witch hunter. McDonnell should have stood his ground and admitted he had Marxist views. His pathetic handling of Dimbleby and the audience's Cold War approach only helped legitimate it. So what if he is anti-capitalist?Despite what Dimbleby and the audience seemed to think, it's not a crime and it's not the BBC's job to uncover and demonise the pesky and invidious reds. The whole thing was deeply sinister. It looked like the BBC and its man had taken it upon themselves to decide what are and are not acceptable political beliefs, and hound those who held/hold them. We see this kind of thing throughout history: the state and its loyal servants make a folk devil out of beliefs they deem hostile and go after those who hold them. Watching the other night the message seemed to be "Marxists = bad, and those in our midst must be exposed and jeered". Edited September 17, 2016 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 49 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: "Look, I'm straight and honest with people, I'm a Marxist." Maybe he could explain why he's a Marxist, giving some examples why, or why he isn't a Marxist and the comment was a mistake. He did neither and tried to fudge the issue because the comment doesn't suit him anymore. It's all the more laughable when his supporters jump on the 'negotiate with ISIS' line from Smith when there is actually context provided for the comment. I don't think anyone is trying to defend how poorly McDonnell handled the attack. But that doesn't mean it was Dimbleby's job to provide it. Again, it's not an impartial chair's job to hunt and expose the damned commies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: First post I've read you've ever made that didn't involve accusations of "regionalists".... And that's the first of yours I've read which wasn't an attack on the SNP (damned nationalists, eh? Imagining wanting Scotland to be a state!). I see you've made up for the lapse with a whole new thread predicated on attacking the Scottish government, though. Welcome back, honey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 "Look, I'm straight and honest with people, I'm a Marxist." Maybe he could explain why he's a Marxist, giving some examples why, or why he isn't a Marxist and the comment was a mistake. He did neither and tried to fudge the issue because the comment doesn't suit him anymore. It's all the more laughable when his supporters jump on the 'negotiate with ISIS' line from Smith when there is actually context provided for the comment. What happened to not being interested in the past and only looking forward? Or does that only apply when it is someone you agree with that is having their past questioned? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 We see this kind of thing throughout history: the state and its loyal servants make a folk devil out of beliefs they deem hostile and go after those who hold them. Watching the other night the message seemed to be "Marxists = bad, and those in our midst must be exposed and jeered". Were you similarly outraged when Nick Griffin was subject to the same thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Nick Griffin going on QT was the beggining of the end for the BNP.For that everyone who jeered him should be immensely proud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 27 minutes ago, mjw said: Nick Griffin going on QT was the beggining of the end for the BNP. For that everyone who jeered him should be immensely proud. Aye, puffing my chest oot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 What happened to not being interested in the past and only looking forward? Or does that only apply when it is someone you agree with that is having their past questioned? However my point isn't really about what he believes, it's about the way he addressed the questions on it on Thursday night. Especially considering the campaign he's running is supposed to be about straight talking, honest politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 19:55, mjw said: Nick Griffin going on QT was the beggining of the end for the BNP. For that everyone who jeered him should be immensely proud. Aye, it worked so well that the BBC went on to try the same trick with his successor for a good four years or so, in the process managing to completely mainstream the majority of the fascist platform. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Tomorrow we'll be treated to...Jacob Rees-MoggLiz KendallNorman LambCaroline LucasJulia Hartley-Brewer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Sooky said: Tomorrow we'll be treated to... Jacob Rees-Mogg Liz Kendall Norman Lamb Caroline Lucas Julia Hartley-Brewer It really is some effort to produce a panel with that quality of c*nt across the board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Tomorrow we'll be treated to...Jacob Rees-MoggLiz KendallNorman LambCaroline LucasJulia Hartley-Brewer That's tasty. Rees-Mogg is an absolute c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 That's tasty. Rees-Mogg is an absolute c**t. This was the highlight of his last appearance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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