Tio Pepe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Well we can go round the houses but the point I'm making - and you understand it perfectly well as does Red Rob - is that there are people who were allowed to vote on whether Scotland should leave the UK who are now being denied a vote on whether the UK should leave Europe. If these folk were seen as worthy of inclusion in one, why not include them in the other. The rest of the whataboutery is just that. I'm only highlighting the categories of people allowed to vote in 2014 and those allowed to vote in 2016. Why differentiate?Who knows why the differentiation. Other than the politicians will use their control over the franchise to get what they perceive to be the correct electorate.The cynic in me suggests that politicians may seek advantage for their desired outcome. Some politicians may also believe that people who aren't old enough to operate without state guardians are old enough to vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Rob I'm just pointing out the fact that all of the Scottish MP's bar one voted NOT to bomb ISIS but their votes were ignored. Are you happy that English politicians will always decide the standing of the UK in the world. In the UN it is only English politicians policy that determines how the UK votes. In Europe it's only English politicians agenda which decides how the UK votes. In the UK parliament it's only English MP's votes that carry any weight. The Scottish votes are meaningless unless they coincide with the majority of English votes. Are you happy with that? Rob, I posted this a couple of pages back and this was your reply. Let's just imagine if the Labour Party had secured the most seats down south in the GE (which was certainly possible)with the SNP waiting in the wings to offer a coalition. IIrc it was a delicious prospect for many on here to cause mayhem at Westminster after being denied a win in the Ref. The roles would be reversed and a real chance to stick it to the English. I don't need to ask if most seperatists would have been happy with that until the chance of a 2nd Ref. Many English/Welsh/Northern Irish MP's were also against bombing Syria btw, I don't believe their opinions were just simply ignored. The Euro ref isn't about Scottish Independence, we have already decided on that. It isn't ideological rhetoric Antlion it is fact. For the time being we work with what we've got and again what we voted for. None of what you wrote answered any of the points I made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Panellists include Conservative justice minister Dominic Raab, Labour's shadow chancellor John McDonnell, UKIP's Louise Bours, Guardian columnist Zoe Williams and former England footballer Jermaine Jenas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Panellists include Conservative justice minister Dominic Raab, Labour's shadow chancellor John McDonnell, UKIP's Louise Bours, Guardian columnist Zoe Williams and former England footballer Jermaine Jenas. really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Rob, I posted this a couple of pages back and this was your reply. None of what you wrote answered any of the points I made. I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous response. This isn't a Scottish/English debate, the Euro ref isn't a Scottish independence issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I am putting this down to a BBC admin error and fully expect to see Derek Hatton on Football Focus on Saturday looking as confused as Jenas will tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous response. This isn't a Scottish/English debate, the Euro ref isn't a Scottish independence issue. Rob the title o' this thread is Question Time and I'm asking you questions which you are either unwilling or unable tae answer. Your response is very poor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Rob I'm just pointing out the fact that all of the Scottish MP's bar one voted NOT to bomb ISIS but their votes were ignored. Are you happy that English politicians will always decide the standing of the UK in the world. In the UN it is only English politicians policy that determines how the UK votes. In Europe it's only English politicians agenda which decides how the UK votes. In the UK parliament it's only English MP's votes that carry any weight. The Scottish votes are meaningless unless they coincide with the majority of English votes. Are you happy with that? These are the questions I (politely) asked. and below is your reply. Let's just imagine if the Labour Party had secured the most seats down south in the GE (which was certainly possible)with the SNP waiting in the wings to offer a coalition. IIrc it was a delicious prospect for many on here to cause mayhem at Westminster after being denied a win in the Ref. The roles would be reversed and a real chance to stick it to the English. I don't need to ask if most seperatists would have been happy with that until the chance of a 2nd Ref. Many English/Welsh/Northern Irish MP's were also against bombing Syria btw, I don't believe their opinions were just simply ignored. The Euro ref isn't about Scottish Independence, we have already decided on that. It isn't ideological rhetoric Antlion it is fact. For the time being we work with what we've got and again what we voted for. Are you happy that it is only English politicians who decide the UK/Scotlands place in the world? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Willie, you seem like a good sort, but your questions are irrelevant when it comes to a EU In/ Out vote. WE voted to remain within the Union, our decision is UK wide, yep I'm ok with that. Edited March 3, 2016 by RedRob72 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I am putting this down to a BBC admin error and fully expect to see Derek Hatton on Football Focus on Saturday looking as confused as Jenas will tonight. Hopefully jenas steers clear of any ugly woman analogies that got Joey Barton into trouble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Wonder how many weepy confessions we'll get from McDonnell tonight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Wonder how many weepy confessions we'll get from McDonnell tonight It won't matter a jot, we know who is and what he is. His pathetic attempt to hide his long held beliefs behind a fawning dewy eyed smile since his rise to prominence fools no one. A proper nasty piece of work! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush-QoS Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 really? He,s only there to comment on the inevitable question concerning Adam Johnson. To be fair he,s one of the better pundits on telly in my opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Louise Bours wants to see "a case without facts, without mad statistics, about the fundamentals for Europe". Strange comment from a Brexiter. Strange statement in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Could the infrastructure of NW england cope with the influx on 75 million turks? Probably not , its a fair point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I can't really understand why people complain about partisan campaigns not offering enough "facts". Surely it's just to be expected that they will exaggerate the positives of their own arguments, and minimise the negatives? It would be an extremely strange electoral strategy for Remain to openly criticise the more unattractive aspects of European Union membership, or for Leave to highlight the obvious risks posed by Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think they were fleeing... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Do you watch the internet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 "If you watch the internet", you KNOW FINGS, YOU KNOW DA SECRETS, YA KNOW DA IMMIGRANTS' LIES! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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