vikingTON Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Frightening, he's not a total idiot and he has some blue collar credibility unlike Trump. No he doesn't; the Bridgegate scandal cost him any genuine independent goodwill, and as a political moderate who was utterly trounced even in New Hampshire, wouldn't offer much to Trump as a VP. He's a totally busted flush for this election cycle. Getting (white) 'blue collar credibility' isn't actually the Republicans' route to the White House anyway, because it isn't 1980 and white blue collar workers aren't actually the decisive demographic factor in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 The results so far suggest otherwise. But there's a valid point being made about "alternative" messages. A Trump vs Clinton election... jesus, bring back Richard Nixon! Because then you'd have a history of Bush - Clinton - Bush - Obama - Clinton. If Obama taught us anything, it is that no matter how "grass roots" the campaign proclaims itself, once in the White House, the president is at the mercy of the financial system. Primaries - even less so Republican primaries - aren't representative of the US electorate as a whole. Though Clinton is certainly a weak enough candidate to allow the usual Republican primary fail to end up in a default presidency. It's much ado about nothing really. The Democrats (and Clinton above most other Democrats) retain a crucial demographic advantage among minority groups, that have only grown since 2012 in swing states like Florida, New Mexico, Colorado etc. Particularly over a racist like Trump (remember: the Nevada primary Trump won was of Republicans engaged in primary elections - ordinary voters aren't the same constituency). Compared to 2012, Trump could certainly win Ohio on angry white votes but after that I don't see where he can add to the existing red states, where he'd just pile up many more useless votes. Which US states can an openly racist, anti-immigrant candidate flip in 2016? Clinton's major weakness would be a weak Democratic turnout, particularly after being drubbed by Sanders on the ideology during the primary. But given that Trump will eventually stand, I can't see a low turnout happening. Liberals and Sanders activists will hold their noses and vote for Clinton once the stench of Trump actually reaches the ballot box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Primaries - even less so Republican primaries - aren't representative of the US electorate as a whole. Though Clinton is certainly a weak enough candidate to allow the usual Republican primary fail to end up in a default presidency. It's much ado about nothing really. The Democrats (and Clinton above most other Democrats) retain a crucial demographic advantage among minority groups, that have only grown since 2012 in swing states like Florida, New Mexico, Colorado etc. Particularly over a racist like Trump (remember: the Nevada primary Trump won was of Republicans engaged in primary elections - ordinary voters aren't the same constituency). Compared to 2012, Trump could certainly win Ohio on angry white votes but after that I don't see where he can add to the existing red states, where he'd just pile up many more useless votes. Which US states can an openly racist, anti-immigrant candidate flip in 2016? Clinton's major weakness would be a weak Democratic turnout, particularly after being drubbed by Sanders on the ideology during the primary. But given that Trump will eventually stand, I can't see a low turnout happening. Liberals and Sanders activists will hold their noses and vote for Clinton once the stench of Trump actually reaches the ballot box. Clinton is clearly the lesser of two evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Clinton isn't evil at all; she's just a fake, earlier generation, career politician with a train car of baggage that will be lit up like firecrackers during the campaign, including a potential federal inditement for the email scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Thoughtful article from Barack Obama's former speechwriter, Jon Favreau, on why it's more important to elect Clinton in 2016 than it was to elect Obama in '08: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/26/why-electing-hillary-in-16-is-more-important-than-electing-obama-in-08.html?via=mobile&source=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Rubio on the attack,basically saying trumps a democrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Rubio on the attack,basically saying trumps a democrat I'll bear that in mind when i'm breaking rocks in a President Trump endorsed internment camp for Scottish people after we fucked up the view from his golf course. Salmond will be living in a cave in Kandahar province after Don's inauguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hillary has easily won South Carolina, where she could only manage 26% of the vote last time I'd be very surprised now if the election is anything other than Hillary v Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 With over 73% of the vote Hillary takes South Carolina. It could all be done and dusted by mid March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 With over 73% of the vote Hillary takes South Carolina. It could all be done and dusted by mid March. She won 84% to 16% amongst African-American voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Yup. Bernie's done. Trump vs Clinton. Can hardly wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Would Hillary win against Sanders if Trump wasn't in play? I'm not so sure. I think a lot of Democrats are going for the bigger name, the established candidate, rather than taking a risk like they were prepared to do in 2008 with the country fed up of Bush and the Republicans. Genuinely sad that the world will be praying for her to become President. When is the result of her FBI investigation due? That could be huge further down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Would Hillary win against Sanders if Trump wasn't in play? I'm not so sure. I think a lot of Democrats are going for the bigger name, the established candidate, rather than taking a risk like they were prepared to do in 2008 with the country fed up of Bush and the Republicans. Genuinely sad that the world will be praying for her to become President. When is the result of her FBI investigation due? That could be huge further down the line. They probably are, but it's twisted logic as Trump has far more chance of beating Clinton than Sanders. Trump's popularity is based on setting himself up as an anti-establishment figure and attacking the stereotypical politician. The anti-establishment part is why he could so easily savage Jeb Bush and he'll be able to do even worse to Clinton, with Clinton also having a list of scandals even longer than a list of her husband's affairs to attack. The anti-establishment shtick would just bounce off Sanders as he also has that appeal, while not being completely lacking in political experience and having no skeletons in the closet. With Clinton it can't possibly fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintax Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Trump poised to win 8 out of the 11 states on 'Super Tuesday' http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270982-super-tuesday-scorecard-big-night-possible-for-donald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Trump poised to win 8 out of the 11 states on 'Super Tuesday' http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270982-super-tuesday-scorecard-big-night-possible-for-donald Trump is up to 49% nationally (up 8%) amongst Republican voters, in the latest CNN poll. The other figures are Rubio 16%, Cruz is 15%, Carson 16%, Kasich 6%. Trump is rated badly by swing voters so Clinton will thrash him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Medeiros Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The GOP need to pick their anti-Trump man and quick. Chances of it being a straight Trump v Rubio fight after 'super Tuesday' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Best thing if you don't want Trump would be for him to wipe out Cruz in Texas and for Rubio to come a good second in a few, or even win one. Cruz would probably pack it in leaving Rubio one on one with Trump if you ignore the also rans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The GOP need to pick their anti-Trump man and quick. Chances of it being a straight Trump v Rubio fight after 'super Tuesday' ? Rubio is the GOP establishment's and neocon's candidate. He's making basic errors like his condescending plea to christie for his endorsement. Rubio is inexperienced and his debate performances suggest that he's out of his depth at this level. Cruz could easily beat him tomorrow and he'll stay in the race anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Cruz is said to be the most unpopular man in Congress and has managed to alienate the power brokers in Texas. He only appeals to the evangelicals and Trump has hoovered up their votes. He's rapidly running out of states with a high proportion of them, if he does badly tomorrow I think he's fcuked. If Rubio doesn't do humiliatingly badly he'll be expected to do better in states where urban voters count for more, he's said to have concentrated his campaigning on suburbia and has done quite well in that sector already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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