AyrTroopMajor Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 To be fair I think the Beeb called it right on the candidates, struggling to think of another player who would be worthy of inclusion. ^Has never seen Lee Barry Cattermole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Best leader - Keane Best passer - Scholes Best athlete - Vieira Best finisher - Lampard Best strike - Gerrard This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKTID Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Scholes for me by quite a distance. Just gutted he was on bench when i went down to see United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Best leader - Keane Best passer - Scholes Best athlete - Vieira Best finisher - Lampard Best strike - Gerrard What is best strike? Scholes was a better finisher than Gerrard, and has a better strike rate to prove it (despite taking very few penalties for Man U over the years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Id say Gerrard was best all rounder tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Gerrard yer arse. This same argument has swept the factory floor here, and morphed into the atypical 'best SPL player' pish, but one thing that's critical is the definition of personality in the role. Stevie Me was always all.about him, and on the two or three occasions where his manager believed his own hype, there's no doubt he was on the level. Having a team built around him to suit this egomaniac only worked so far until equally or even better equipped players to play that level found the whole saga out (Alonso and Mascherano come to mind) which imo largely cost Liverpool the chance to rebuild and properly challenge since Benitez chucked it. Beyond that, Gerrard wasn't the 'team player' all of the others were, except Toure the last eighteen months.Scholes being seen as a peer of the greatest players on earth at the one time is something none of the others could come close to. Many played with his contemporaries on that list...the Barca guys with Toure, Zidane and Figo with Vieira, etc, and by and large don't throw platitudes towards them. I doubt they'd waste their breath otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOSDOC Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Gerrard by a mile! To say he is all about himself is pure shite! The guy gave away all the money from his testimonial too the poor of Liverpool! He also started the Steven Gerrard foundation to help his local people. How many others have done the same very few if any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Fyvie Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Gerrard by a mile! To say he is all about himself is pure shite! The guy gave away all the money from his testimonial too the poor of Liverpool! He also started the Steven Gerrard foundation to help his local people. How many others have done the same very few if any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Gerrard by a mile! To say he is all about himself is pure shite! The guy gave away all the money from his testimonial too the poor of Liverpool! He also started the Steven Gerrard foundation to help his local people. How many others have done the same very few if any Greater the man is he who gives and keeps his gub buttoned about it. We're not talking about generosity, anyway....these are, however, matter-of-fact personality traits which are Gerrard's strength (when on top) and weakness when not so. Single-handedly carrying a team for fifteen years, which has had more fresh cash spent on it than any other in the country, whilst possesing less league medals than Pascal Cygan or Jonathan Greening, constitutes a major personality issue. Maybe a little less when they had world-class players no different than the other 'big four' of the late Noughties, may have produced a little more for his club than it did for Stevie Gee: The Myth. The perpetual discussion over what to do with him & Lampard for England was an absolute hoax.......all to fuel the lie that Gerrard led a bunch of Sunday league amateurs to mostly third and fourth finishes and two CL finals, therefore is a great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Scholes > Viera > Lampard > Gerrard > Keane > FuzzyAfro's unwell cat > Yaya Toure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Anyone who genuinely believes that Steven Gerrard has at any time been as good a player as Paul Scholes should have their eyes gouged out with the claw end of a hammer and be forbidden to ever talk about football again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelt67 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Gerrard by a mile! To say he is all about himself is pure shite! The guy gave away all the money from his testimonial too the poor of Liverpool! He also started the Steven Gerrard foundation to help his local people. How many others have done the same very few if any Niall Quinn......so with this logic, do we now class him as the best striker in the EPL era? Back to the original question, Paul Scholes, no question. He could have walked into any team at his peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Think scholes was always a little overrated tbh . Ditto roy keane also. Remember they won a lucky champions league in 1999 ( both out of final). The real story that year was the juventus flop in Turin. From 2000 to 2006 they never won a knock out game in Europe . It was only when man utd had Ronaldo , Tevez & Rooney on board utd scholes started to thrive again. Scholes also had a moderate international career. The testimonials from the foreign stars are generally given in interviews to English journalists. Scholes was a fabulous footballer btw but a tad overrated , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 You think Ian Murray is a better manager than Paul Hartley, your opinion is obsolete tbh. I was gonna reply to his pish but think I'll just leave it after reading he said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fraser Fyvie Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 How many Premier Leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 How many Premier Leagues? Who cares?How many world cups have Messi or Ronaldo won/will win? Doesn't mean they haven't been successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Seriously....Charity Shields and Super Cups??? Oh dear. No one's suggesting he's a diddy. But you can't trot out what he has won in comparison to those who have won more and claim it makes a difference. Shearer was the same...an egomaniacal sociopath who demanded numero uno status at his 'boyhood club' and to hell with the prospect of building a team in the manner Wenger managed with his first two Arsenal double-winners and Invincibles, or even Chelsea pre-Abramovich. Someone made the distinction about the vast wealth available to 'only Manchester United' because of the influx of the big bad Sky money in the 90s. Liverpool, Newcastle, Villa and Tottenham spunked absolute fucking gazillions of fresh cash on utter shite (Stan Collymore (Liverpool AND Villa!!), Stephane Guivarc'h, Savo Milosevic, Sergei Rebrov etc) while United got almost every big buy spot-on. Individual heroes are all.fine and well, if the club is likes of Southampton and the player Matt le Tissier, but Liverpool ought to be bigger and better than that. They're as guilty as Gerrard in not realising any full potential he may have had......hence why grooming the extremely limited Jordan 'Ironing Board' Henderson to replace him might, just might, see more players like Coutinho, Sturridge and the lad Markovic take the responsibility forward in his absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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