Fotbawmad Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Perhaps the reason for the SNP picking up those votes is that there is nowhere else for disillusioned Socialists to go - I voted for Hosie at the GE as there was no other credible alternative. As for the Greens - I have serious long-standing reservations about many of their policies. The SSP (which are certainly not Communist) is a non-starter because I'm not a Trotskyite - not to mention that they have been a shambles since the fallout with Sheridan. I'm not a million miles off about the SSP tbf... The Greens do have some good policies, but they lack the leadership that can properly explain and defend them. However, the biggest problem they have is that they're too different compared to what most people have known. I think it's a case of it not being their time yet. If a new generation of voters come along, people might be more susceptible to their ideas. After all, they're the only proponents of GBI. The problem is the public are too poorly informed about it to have any meaningful debate on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 For now, I do want to see landslide SNP wins in both Westminster and Holyrood elections until we get independence. Doesn't the SNP already capture that section of the vote? There is the Greens as well as the SSP (who IMO are borderline communist). On the first point I am happy to see a strong SNP majority in Holyrood and a strong SNP representation in Westminster, however that was not the point being discussed. I think a vocal credible opposition party in Holyrood is also an important factor to avoid a democratic deficit. I think some of Labour's criticisms of the SNP government in Scotland are justified but no one listens to Labour's message (and rightly so) because the messenger has lost all credibility. Labour has no one to blame for this except themselves. On the second point I don't accept the SNP are a radical left of centre party. They are certainly not the Tartan Tories of 30 or 40 years ago, and their move to the left over a number of years has accelerated in the last decade. However they still have a distance to go to be deemed a natural party of the left. There will be many SNP strategists who want them to remain a centerist position to maximise support for their core policy of Independence and that's an understandable and justifiable position to adopt. But the Scottish Parliament will have to take decisions during the next five years to either implement further cuts imposed by Westminister austerity measures or use tax raising powers to mitigate them and offer an alternative based on left of centre redistributive policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 That graph is bizarre. The BNP centrist? Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 That graph is bizarre. The BNP centrist? Wtf? That's because the term "far-right" is lazily and incorrectly used by the media. What they really mean is "extreme-authoritarian". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 That's because the term "far-right" is lazily and incorrectly used by the media. What they really mean is "extreme-authoritarian". They are far-right because of their racist and ethnic ideology IMHO.I would class them as authoritarian AND far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They are far-right because of their racist and ethnic ideology IMHO. I would class them as authoritarian AND far right. The definition of being far-right is being neo-liberal. Which is the belief that everything should be privatized. Something both UKIP and the Tories are trying to advance and they do this under the guise of "austerity". It's all about trying to flog off state assets to their friends who helped get them elected. However, I've never heard BNP come out with anything that justifies their belief in neo-liberalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 They are far-right because of their racist and ethnic ideology IMHO. I would class them as authoritarian AND far right. Well, the graph only splits basically by how free enterprise or interventionist you are on the economy and on how socially liberal or authoritarian you are. The BNP has several protectionist policies that make it not that right wing economically, even though socially, it is incredibly authoritarian in how it thinks society should be run. What those graphs don't adequately convey is a sense of how inclusive or exclusive policies are, or how a party deals with different sets of demographics. You can be all for equal rights and access to services but still want to control every aspect of someone's life, and you can be all for leaving the state out of everything, while being undeniably racist. Basically, those graphs need some kind of third dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The irony being a story was in the news yesterday saying Labour outspent the SNP at the last General Election. Scottish Labour? Or the UK wide Labour Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Scottish Labour? Or the UK wide Labour Party? Scottish Labour is UK Labour and is funded like the branch office it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 He was never a hero. He stood for the Lib Dems. As I said, credit where it's due for standing, but that doesn't mean he isn't a complete c**t. Exactly. All the fawning over the Dale Carrick thing. He didn't even do that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Scottish Labour? Or the UK wide Labour Party?What's the difference?Last time I check Murray isn't a Scottish Labour MP in parliament http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/ian-murray/3966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 What's the difference? Eh, what? You find it "ironic" that a UK-wide party, standing in over 600 constituencies and campaigning across the UK spent more than a party campaigning in under 60 seats, to less than 10% of the UK population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Scottish Labour is UK Labour What? What did the SNP spend at the last election, and what did Scottish Labour spend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuddieInDundee Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Eh, what? You find it "ironic" that a UK-wide party, standing in over 600 constituencies and campaigning across the UK spent more than a party campaigning in under 60 seats, to less than 10% of the UK population? Wasn't Scottish labour funded separately? Or at least allocated funds from Daddy in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Please don't engage the pedant in his usual puerile pish. We'll be here all day with his ridiculous line of questioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Eh, what? You find it "ironic" that a UK-wide party, standing in over 600 constituencies and campaigning across the UK spent more than a party campaigning in under 60 seats, to less than 10% of the UK population? I take it you didn't watch the programme of hear the comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 What? What did the SNP spend at the last election, and what did Scottish Labour spend? What's the difference between Scottish Labour and Labour? Again, I'll remind you. Scottish Labour have no MPs in parliament nor have they ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Please don't engage the pedant in his usual puerile pish. We'll be here all day with his ridiculous line of questioning. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 What's the difference between Scottish Labour and Labour? Again, I'll remind you. Scottish Labour have no MPs in parliament nor have they ever Even by your standards as a THE KING esque Twitter grabber, this is an absolute disaster. Why do you find it "ironic" that a UK wide party contesting over 600 constituencies spent more than a fringe minority party contesting less than 10% of the seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Even by your standards as a THE KING esque Twitter grabber, this is an absolute disaster. Why do you find it "ironic" that a UK wide party contesting over 600 constituencies spent more than a fringe minority party contesting less than 10% of the seats? So you won't or can't tell me the difference. Enjoy the rest of your day I will me mention during that programme it was said Labour can't compete with the SNP on spending power. Yet it was reported Labour had actually outspent the SNP at the GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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