Tony Ferrino Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Well aye, obviously independence isn't going to suddenly solve all of Scotland's problems by itself. It is merely the first step in allowing us, as a nation, to address And start saving some money for rainy day, perhaps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Well aye, obviously independence isn't going to suddenly solve all of Scotland's problems by itself. It is merely the first step in allowing us, as a nation, to address them. 2 minutes ago, Tony Ferrino said: And start saving some money for rainy day, perhaps ^ itk inrs (its not rocket science) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 On 27/03/2017 at 08:36, Fide said: Sorry, Theresa, love, now is not the time. According to the majority of the UK electorate that bothered to vote in the EU referendum...... It is time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, Antlion said: Back in the box; know your place; stop trying to be a nation state and get on with running Scotland as it should be run - a dependent, glorified parish. Totally proud and patriotic Scot, though, I'm sure. A regular Thomas Jefferson. You have a low opinion of Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 44 minutes ago, Antlion said: So you think Scotland, after three hundred years as a relatively small region of the UK, is in a situation so grave it requires a cure-all? I think Scotland is in the perfect place to serve it's people and interests best .....in the UK ...!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, McSpreader said: I think Scotland is in the perfect place to serve it's people and interests best .....in the UK ...!! Aye, it's always in someones best interests to gratefully thank people for shagging their arse sideways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Just now, ayrmad said: Aye, it's always in someones best interests to gratefully thank people for shagging their arse sideways. I don't see the comparison....Different, more truthful mindset than you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I voted yes last time but was swithering. The UK govt dragging us off the top a cliff against our will into a hard brexit and no single market would more than convince me this time around. Unfortunately I won't have a vote next time... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black and White Tragic Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I just want to know why the Daily Mail (and most of the Mainstream media South of the border, let's face it that's all of them) offers a diametrically opposed juxtaposition namely... 1. They claim Scots are scroungers and that the money that comes from the treasury is a subsidy for Scotland. They provide numbers that show Scotland gets more per head of central government spending (which I accept, but there is good reason for this. Scotland has a larger landmass per head of population so there are logistically higher costs associated with having people spread out over a larger area) but they bang on about Barnett calculating how much of "English taxpayers money" is being sent north of the border. So they create a climate in which the English generally believe Scotland should be ditched at the earliest opportunity. 2. On the other hand, they defend the Union like it is sacrosanct. They deride Scots as whingers and promote obstruction of moves for Scottish independence. You have to ask why the Union is so precious. Is Scotland a nice place to go on holiday or retire to without a passport? A remote place with a port suitable to keep nukes at arms length? ...or is it just that they are lying about the burden that we are? Maybe it's just the age old problem, "the trouble with Scotland, is that it's full of Scots."? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tony Ferrino said: Explain then Soph. Pls Amongst all of the sophistry, there is a simple truth that at the very moment we take full responsibility, we can start to make things better and also plan to balance our books in the long term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sophia said: Amongst all of the sophistry, there is a simple truth that at the very moment we take full responsibility, we can start to make things better and also plan to balance our books in the long term. Exactly. Edited March 28, 2017 by Tony Ferrino 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Right that's the vote done. Can Nicola and the rest of her glorified councillors get on with running the country, sorting education, the NHS, the police and the numerous other things that should be prioritised ahead of posturing and promoting a referendum that most people in Scotland do not want. That argument might carry more weight if the Scottish govt wasn't doing a considerably better job than Westminster on NHS etc etc....plus if majority of Scots didn't want a referendum in the instance of brexit why did they give snp 250000 more votes n give proof indy parties a majority at holyrood? ?? Why doesn't tm concentrate on issues other than the non binding brexit referendum which they didn't ask eu permission for?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 If May keeps this pish up then UDI is fair game for me. You can't have a democratically elected Scottish government being ignored. Particularly one with sufficient support that it overcomes significant obstacles which were designed to stop it getting such a majority. Just call time Nicola. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 And Ruth - what the actual f**k was that?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 This is going to be ugly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 How can people just ignore a meagre 400,000 majority in a referendum after a mere 3 years. Very disturbing stuff. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 And Ruth - what the actual f**k was that?! I've heard about this and read about it but I don't think I've got it in me to watch it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 There is an argument to be made but I've heard it and am not convinced. Like many others I don't think independence is a panacea for the situation Scotland is in. I don't think you have any interest in being convinced quite frankly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 6 hours ago, edinabear said: How can people just ignore a meagre 400,000 majority in a referendum after a mere 3 years. Very disturbing stuff. How can people ignore a seismic change in the political landscape and a party enacting the manifesto on which it was elected? Very disturbing stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 There is an argument to be made but I've heard it and am not convinced. Like many others I don't think independence is a panacea for the situation Scotland is in. I don't understand your logic bud. The situation Scotland is in is because MPs elected by England make the decisions for us. Independence doesn't mean things will change automatically and everything will be rosey but it gives us a chance to mould our own future.If we just accept that we can't do anything and let the Tories rule us for the next 2 decades without the protection of the EU things will only get much worse, albeit that's just my opinion along with many others.You have to ask yourself if we are so much of a burden to the UK why did the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems unite South of the border to 'keep' us? Nothing to do with tradition, British values ect we contribute much more to the UK than we take back out.David Cameron himself said we could go it alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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