Burnie_man Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Look at root cause of some of the issues the game faces. No floodlights and no season long fixture list in this day and age is frankly ludicrous and a direct block on being able to move the game forward. Address the first issue (floodlights), that then addresses the second issue (fixture list). One is dependent on the other, we need to be able to play midweek games as and when there is a need regardless of time of year, we need to move away from Junior Cup games blocking the season through continual postponements as you can only play them on a Saturday, we need to move away from a weeks notice of fixtures. Some clubs now stream their games live on YouTube, yet they don’t know who they play the following week or they have to kick-off at 1.30pm as they don’t have lights. How ludicrous is that? How do they attract new punters through the gate? Many areas of the English non-league game are experiencing a rise in attendances as fans become disillusioned with over priced English League football and take a look at local football on their doorstep. Nearly every club is well placed to take advantage as they have the full range of facilities even at a very low level. Floodlights, fixture lists, stand/cover, club bar, decent toilets, programmes etc. Meanwhile, the Junior game largely isn’t in the position to grasp a similar opportunity as we’re still in the dark ages, literally. A 100 years of no investment in facilities. Floodlights aren’t cheap, it’s a major investment, but unless the nettle is grasped then then Junior game will be in the same place 20 years from now. However, I suspect the option of paying a player £50/£100 a week instead is seen as the better option by many…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Well over half of junior clubs do not pay anything like £50p wk to players and for them having to install and run floodlights would put them out the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Well over half of junior clubs do not pay anything like £50p wk to players and for them having to install and run floodlights would put them out the game In which case we don’t progress as a grade. You have to look at the facts, and deal with getting the basics into place first. They might not be palatable but then hard decisions never are. We need a season long fixture list, but you can’t have that unless all clubs have floodlights to play re-arranged games midweek when they are called off. No lights, no fixture list. No fixture list, no ability to progress the game, attract new sponsors and fans. I used Irvine Meadow as an example a few pages ago, a club of that stature who pay significant sums of money to players, but don’t have floodlights and you have to pish against a brick wall. They are a perfect illustration of where we have gone wrong, although they are lucky in that they already have a large fan base. This is where we need the SJFA heirachy to take the lead, they say they want the strengthen the grade, improve it and make it stronger and better, well, start with the basics. Some contributors to this thread said earlier that only paying players expenses is amateur stuff, that we’re professionals. Well there’s nothing more amateur than not having a fixture list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 On the subject of expense, running floodlights is less than half the cost of a referee for two hours. The major outlay is initial build cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non_sequitur Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Oan the Robbie Feeny thread they're talking aboot £5k and £6k transfer fees, and signing on fees and wages on top of that and that's no even a Sooperleague player but aye, nae money for floodlights or new bogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 On the subject of expense, running floodlights is less than half the cost of a referee for two hours. The major outlay is initial build cost. Correct me if I'm wrong but did you not get the new ground floodlights & all built for you by the local council with grants from the lottery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenmuir Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but did you not get the new ground floodlights & all built for you by the local council with grants from the lottery?H How is Valefield looking for tomorrows game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 How is Valefield looking for tomorrows game Fine at the moment. Just need to wait & see how tonight's weather is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 12 Junior Cup ties postponed on 24/10. A few lower league games off that day also. But from early Nov postponements have been pretty consistent on the badly-maintained lower league pitches. Which lower league teams have badly maintained pitches? I'd guess the ones where there's only 2 or 3 committee members & no money to get serious work done on they're pitch. Your club probably has more committee members than most of these clubs have fans. Makes it a whole lot easier to get a park playable during periods of inclement weather when you've got money & manpower available. There's super league teams who lose fixtures to the weather on a regular basis too by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Which lower league teams have badly maintained pitches? I'd guess the ones where there's only 2 or 3 committee members & no money to get serious work done on they're pitch. Your club probably has more committee members than most of these clubs have fans. Makes it a whole lot easier to get a park playable during periods of inclement weather when you've got money & manpower available. There's super league teams who lose fixtures to the weather on a regular basis too by the way. Doesn't matter the cause if we're discussing the effect - which is that the effect of summer football would be greatest at the clubs with a support as they'd likely experience a fall in revenue. West Super Premier games scheduled in November: 12 (66% played) West Super 1st games scheduled in November: 19 (42% played) West Ayrshire games scheduled in November: 15 (47% played) West Central 1st games scheduled in November: 19 (63% played) West Central 2nd games scheduled in November: 21 (48% played) For November, there is a clear pattern - more games off outside the top division. Some clubs are repeat offenders - Forth and Maryhill x3 for example. Blantyre, Arthurlie, Dalry to name three with double league postponements in November. If we're saying November's out, as well as December, January and February, the season is looking increasingly short... is that the solution? Play less games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Doesn't matter the cause if we're discussing the effect - which is that the effect of summer football would be greatest at the clubs with a support as they'd likely experience a fall in revenue. West Super Premier games scheduled in November: 12 (66% played) West Super 1st games scheduled in November: 19 (42% played) West Ayrshire games scheduled in November: 15 (47% played) West Central 1st games scheduled in November: 19 (63% played) West Central 2nd games scheduled in November: 21 (48% played) For November, there is a clear pattern - more games off outside the top division. Some clubs are repeat offenders - Forth and Maryhill x3 for example. Blantyre, Arthurlie, Dalry to name three with double league postponements in November. If we're saying November's out, as well as December, January and February, the season is looking increasingly short... is that the solution? Play less games? Increasingly short? Play less games? How can you possibly come to that conclusion when the remaining 32 weeks will have weather which is suitable for both playing & watching football on easier to maintain pitches. Then you have mid April to the end of August for midweek games. That's 18 weeks where midweek fixtures are a sure thing & clubs could possibly have a real fixture list. Just saying .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Increasingly short? Play less games? How can you possibly come to that conclusion when the remaining 32 weeks will have weather which is suitable for both playing & watching football on easier to maintain pitches. Then you have mid April to the end of August for midweek games. That's 18 weeks where midweek fixtures are a sure thing & clubs could possibly have a real fixture list. Just saying .... Ur still not addressing my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ur still not addressing my point Read the above post again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I did. It doesnt say what would happen if ur last scheduled league games in oct/nov r put off. When could they b played before the season ends at the end of november? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I did. It doesnt say what would happen if ur last scheduled league games in oct/nov r put off. When could they b played before the season ends at the end of november? There wouldn't be a backlog. That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ok. Our last 4 league games are scheduled for nov 4th,11th,18th and 25th and 2games get rained off,when do we play the postponed games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ok. Our last 4 league games are scheduled for nov 4th,11th,18th and 25th and 2games get rained off,when do we play the postponed games? Where & when did I say play games in November? It was 'man on a bike' who included November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ok last 4 scheduled gamer before end of season...where do we fit postponements in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue manalishi Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ok last 4 scheduled gamer before end of season...where do we fit postponements in? 30 odd Saturday's plus about 18 midweek slots equals about 50 allotted days/evenings for games. There's only 20 odd league games , which means most teams season would be complete long before October/ November. This leaves loads of dates for all cup ties. You seem obsessed with postponements, there won't be any , try & get your head around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 So ur saying the summer season will finish in sept, so no football oct to mar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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