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Murray must be one of the last counter punchers still around and in 2023 that style just doesn't work as almost every male tennis player absolutely hammers the ball as hard as they can from both sides. There's just too much pace on the ball these days for him Imo. 

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Yeah that will be a sore one for Andy. Not so much the result, he won’t be surprised that he’s lost, but the one sided nature of the defeat will be tough to take. Dimitrov is a decent player, but he’s not a top player and he won’t be near the business end of this tournament.
That’s the last major of 2023. Does he fancy doing the air miles and the Asian circuit over the Autumn in preparation for the Aus Open in January?

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18 hours ago, Lex said:

Yeah that will be a sore one for Andy. Not so much the result, he won’t be surprised that he’s lost, but the one sided nature of the defeat will be tough to take. Dimitrov is a decent player, but he’s not a top player and he won’t be near the business end of this tournament.
That’s the last major of 2023. Does he fancy doing the air miles and the Asian circuit over the Autumn in preparation for the Aus Open in January?

He said post match that he'll be thinking things over, but one positive going forward is his improved ranking will give him better chances in tournaments. 

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On 31/08/2023 at 21:52, TheScarf said:

Murray must be one of the last counter punchers still around and in 2023 that style just doesn't work as almost every male tennis player absolutely hammers the ball as hard as they can from both sides. There's just too much pace on the ball these days for him Imo. 

Absolutely spot on.  Medvedev is probably the more modern counter puncher, stands ways back but still smashes the ball.  His serve gets exposed more as he can’t grind points as much as he could.

His ambition is still to be seeded at Wimbledon next year, and that starts with trying to get seeded for the Australian.  His team should be looking at the entry lists of any 125, 250 and 500 and entering any potential weaker fields.

 

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1 hour ago, Loki said:

Absolutely spot on.  Medvedev is probably the more modern counter puncher, stands ways back but still smashes the ball.  His serve gets exposed more as he can’t grind points as much as he could.

His ambition is still to be seeded at Wimbledon next year, and that starts with trying to get seeded for the Australian.  His team should be looking at the entry lists of any 125, 250 and 500 and entering any potential weaker fields.

 

Even Wawrinka, 2 years older than Murray, realised in 2013/14 that the new younger guys coming through absolutely cream every ball so he started doing it. If you watch him around 2008-2012 he hits the ball with less force. If you watch Murray from the same time frame, he actually hit the ball harder then than he does now. Murray has gone the other way whilst all the guys who get to the second weeks of majors game are all based around power on both sides. 

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16 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Even Wawrinka, 2 years older than Murray, realised in 2013/14 that the new younger guys coming through absolutely cream every ball so he started doing it. If you watch him around 2008-2012 he hits the ball with less force. If you watch Murray from the same time frame, he actually hit the ball harder then than he does now. Murray has gone the other way whilst all the guys who get to the second weeks of majors game are all based around power on both sides. 

A lot of that was Magnus Norman coming in and introducing the block return to allow him to smash the ball of both wings.

Murray should have went and got Norman in 2019 after the hip resurfacing.

Even Baez last night against Medvedev who is 5 ft 9 was absolutely smashing it.  And was unlucky not to take the third set, a timely rain interruption killed his momentum as he moved 5-2 up.

I can’t see Medvedev troubling either of Alcaraz or Novak.  Alcaraz Sinner is shaping up to be the best QF if they both get through.

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18 hours ago, parsforlife said:

Alvarez is utterly insane,  he’s going to win a hell of a lot, enough to make the last generation of greats worried, it’s just a shame we can’t use some form of time travel to put him up against the big 4 in their prime.

Alcaraz. It's not difficult.

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Well looks like Supergirl has discovered her Kryptonite. Ostapenko pulls off the shock and now moves 4-0 clear in their head to head.

Coco Gauff will be the clear favourite to make it through, but Ostapenko can hit through anyone if she feels in the mood.

Wozniacki has the same issues as Murray in that the counter punching style just doesn’t work against those that have power.  After Coco went the break down in the third, she just reset, got more aggressive and just blew her away.

Medvedev Vs De Minaur may be a good match tonight, Medvedev has lost his last two matches against him.  Probably the best chance of an upset tonight, although if Rublev isn’t playing well Draper could beat him.

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Three of the same four semi finalists as Wimbledon in July then.  As expected, Djokovic and Alcaraz have stomped their way through the draw with no real problems. Alcaraz dropped just the one set and Djokovic has dropped two. Both had tricky looking quarter finals against Zverev and American number one Fritz, both won them in straight sets.

Alcaraz to face Medvedev again for a second straight slam semi final, the Russian will give him far more of a game than he gave him at Wimbledon for sure. He’s a former US Open champion after all and this is his best surface.

The only surprise is unseeded 20 year old American Ben Shelton making it to his first slam semi, he’s not had the toughest route but he’s there and he’ll have the rowdy home crowd behind him against the big bad Joker.
Can either of them stop the seemingly inevitable second Djokovic/Alcaraz final for a second slam in a row? Probably not. 

 

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Was up early this morning and caught the end of the second women's semi final. I know things has run later than planned thanks to the protests that took place, but there were huge numbers of empty seats.

Maybe they all fucked off when Keys won the first set 6-0 thinking she was going to canter it, if they had hung around they would have seen Sabalenka come back to win. She had a premature celebration when she thought the game was over when she got to 7 points in the 3rd set tiebreak. 

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