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2 minutes ago, Rugster said:

You could say the same for Andy agreeing to play in the singles. 

Well, not really - given his ability to play in it wasn’t tied to someone else. 

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Considering the issues with Emma’s wrists, she’s wise to rest it.  It brings an end to Andy’s Wimbledon career, but he more than most will understand playing with a slight injury isn’t good for your long term health.  Andy would make the exact same decision if the roles were reversed. 
 

 

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Yeah no surprise to see Emma pull out of Andy’s testimonial when she’s still in the singles draw. Priorities and all that. 

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This was always likely to happen if Raducanu made the second week. It’s a shame he can’t change partners at the last minute, he probably should have asked one of the lower ranked British players or Mirra Andreeva instead since she was knocked out in the first round and Andy is her idol. 

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2 hours ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

Not any more. Raducanu has withdrawn from mixed due to an issue with her wrist.

Which they obviously already knew there was a chance of and that was why they did the big farewell the other night.

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13 minutes ago, Miguel Simao said:

This was always likely to happen if Raducanu made the second week. It’s a shame he can’t change partners at the last minute, he probably should have asked one of the lower ranked British players or Mirra Andreeva instead since she was knocked out in the first round and Andy is her idol. 

He could have teamed up with Heather Watson to get her out of the huff she has been in since 2012 when he opted to play with Laura Robson in the Olympics.

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1 hour ago, No_Problemo said:

That’s absolutely fine but just don’t agree to play in the first place if you know you will pull out with any minor niggle - I imagine it’s pretty common during a tournament to pick these up. 

Murray of all people can not complain about this.

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4 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

Murray of all people can not complain about this.

Given that he was a regular in the Davis Cup when he was needed for GB I’m struggling to understand this one.

And given that Raducanu was so glowing in the press re how honoured to play with Andy in such a significant farewell, i personally find her behaviour outrageous here. She simply could have turned down the opportunity given how important the singles appear to be to her.
Pretty sure if he’d been able to ask Dart or Boulter, and they were in the same position we would not have seen the same outcome considering it’s a farewell for a legend of the game, and a reasonable chance to also win a major doubles title too…..

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5 hours ago, Loki said:

Considering the issues with Emma’s wrists, she’s wise to rest it.  It brings an end to Andy’s Wimbledon career, but he more than most will understand playing with a slight injury isn’t good for your long term health.  Andy would make the exact same decision if the roles were reversed. 
 

 

I’ve got my doubts there’s any injury whatsoever tbh….

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She was expecting to be out the singles, she isn’t. 
She’s not risking a run in the singles for a glorified exhibition mixed doubles match, and rightly so. 
If the shoe was on the other foot and Raducanu was out the ladies and Andy was heading into the second week of the gents singles you can bet your life he wouldn’t be playing any mixed doubles. 

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Perhaps Murray chose radacanu as he thought she was the best partner even if that came with increased risk of her dropping out.

Regardless it's not her responsibility to make sure Murray gets a nice farewell, she has made a decision that happens at every single grand slam where players end up making decisions based of priority events.  Wimbledon is a sports competition and the athletes will make decisions for themselves.  It's not like she's refused to turn up to his retirement dinner.

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1 hour ago, roman_bairn said:

Given that he was a regular in the Davis Cup when he was needed for GB I’m struggling to understand this one.

Nothing too deep. But he entered the singles this year and, despite being extremely unlikely to play, didn't withdraw until the last minute.

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4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Nothing too deep. But he entered the singles this year and, despite being extremely unlikely to play, didn't withdraw until the last minute.

Honestly, that’s the sign of someone who would try to play whatever the circumstances due to his love of the game.

Raducanu, on the other hand, shows  how completely clueless she is in terms of the importance of this mixed doubles event to both Andy and to the majority of the tennis watching public.

Yes you can understand why players do withdraw from time to time, but this one is a little more significant. If it had been Serena Williams for example, there’s no way she would have withdrawn in the same circumstances……

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7 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

 

Raducanu, on the other hand, shows  how completely clueless she is in terms of the importance of this mixed doubles event to both Andy and to the majority of the tennis watching public.

It's an event Murray has rarely played and gets some of the lowest crowds and TV audiences, nobody considers this that important apart from those considering it important in the farewell. 

Nobody would be saying anything if she just pulled out on Dan evens for example and if you remove the British angle and purely focused on his status would anyone be saying anything if wawrinka suddenly announces this US open would be his last and he'd like to to play doubles with his partner pulling out in similar circumstances I still doubt anyone would be reacting as strongly 

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3 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

It's an event Murray has rarely played and gets some of the lowest crowds and TV audiences, nobody considers this that important apart from those considering it important in the farewell. 

Nobody would be saying anything if she just pulled out on Dan evens for example and if you remove the British angle and purely focused on his status would anyone be saying anything if wawrinka suddenly announces this US open would be his last and he'd like to to play doubles with his partner pulling out in similar circumstances I still doubt anyone would be reacting as strongly 

Isn’t that the point I’m making? It wasn’t just a normal situation, otherwise I could just about understand her genuine reason for deciding not to complete. 
I don’t buy the comment earlier that she expected to be out. A true competitor doesn’t think like that at all. 
She should have considered her situation and turned down the opportunity leaving it to someone else …..

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4 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

Isn’t that the point I’m making? It wasn’t just a normal situation, otherwise I could just about understand her genuine reason for deciding not to complete. 
I don’t buy the comment earlier that she expected to be out. A true competitor doesn’t think like that at all. 
She should have considered her situation and turned down the opportunity leaving it to someone else …..

1. It's only not normal cos folk want a grand farewell, but in terms of competitive tennis it's entirely normal, and given Wimbledon is a competitive tennis tournament we'd expect every single person to be making decisions based purely off of that basis.

2. The true competitors, which the likes of the williams sisters undoubtedly are have pulled out of doubles to focus on singles. The enter the doubles as either a back up if they get knocked out of singles or that they get lucky and are physically perfect every day of tournament and get to schedule in doubles matches instead of practice? But if they aren't right one day and pull out of practice nothing is even publicly notified.

I think mainly if the fairwell tour is so important then he should be scheduled in expedition matches post final and he can bring out a series of opponents/coaches/influences etc to play with/against.  But he's playing in the competitive draw and that means dealing with everything that comes with that, including nobody giving a f**k if this is your last time or not.

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48 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

Honestly, that’s the sign of someone who would try to play whatever the circumstances due to his love of the game.

Raducanu, on the other hand, shows  how completely clueless she is in terms of the importance of this mixed doubles event to both Andy and to the majority of the tennis watching public.

Yes you can understand why players do withdraw from time to time, but this one is a little more significant. If it had been Serena Williams for example, there’s no way she would have withdrawn in the same circumstances……

None of that is really her main concern, though, is it?

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In any case, a mixed doubles match really wouldn't have been the Wimbledon farewell Murray had in mind. It'll make little difference to him in the long run.

I do wonder if he'll enter the US Open now though, to get that farewell singles match that actually will mean something to him.

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