Andy Murray The Greatest and General Tennis Chat

[Bairnardo]

Bit of an anti climax getting a bye in a semi.

[John Lambies Doos]

There’s no way Kyrgios takes 3 sets off Norrie

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[peasy23]

A British win as Neal Skupski and American Desirae Krawczyk win the mixed doubles final.

[TheScarf]

6 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

A British win as Neal Skupski and American Desirae Krawczyk win the mixed doubles final.

 

[John Lambies Doos]

Whatever happened to Coric? Was he not supposed to be the next big thing?

[Binos]

3 hours ago, TheScarf said:

There’s no way Kyrgios takes 3 sets off Djokovic.

Depends what happens in the semi

When Murray won 2013 djokivic was spent after 5 set epic semi

[Donathan]

3 minutes ago, Binos said:

Depends what happens in the semi

When Murray won 2013 djokivic was spent after 5 set epic semi

Honestly I hope I'm wrong but my instinct is that Norrie will win < 10 games in the semi final. 6-3 6-2 6-4 or something along those lines.

[Virtual Insanity]

Granted they've only played twice, but Djokovic has never taken a set off Kyrgios. Kyrgios lives for these matchups and they go some way to replacing the motivation he otherwise lacks. Will be enjoyable seeing the crowd go into meltdown as they struggle to work out who they dislike more. 

[John Lambies Doos]

Granted they've only played twice, but Djokovic has never taken a set off Kyrgios. Kyrgios lives for these matchups and they go some way to replacing the motivation he otherwise lacks. Will be enjoyable seeing the crowd go into meltdown as they struggle to work out who they dislike more. 

Tbh, think the crowd quite like Kyrgios. Djokovic tries too hard.

[Loki]

15 minutes ago, Binos said:

Depends what happens in the semi

When Murray won 2013 djokivic was spent after 5 set epic semi

No he wasn't.  This guy beat Murray in five hours in Australia and then went six hours against Nadal.  You think the fittest athlete on the planet is spent after 4.5 hours on the court?  It is just an excuse used to try and explain Murray's better overall play on the day.

Kyrgios beat Djokovic twice in the year he got beat by Istomin, Cechinato and  Berdych in the slams.  The year with the elbow issues before finally opting for the surgery.  Kyrgios will get chopped up similarly to the way Murray dismantled him in 2016.  Kyrgios' only chance is if Norrie beats Novak tomorrow.  Murray would beat Kyrgios on Sunday never mind Novak.

It's just a shame Nadal picked up that injury as he would have had a great chance against Novak.

[Binos]

51 minutes ago, Donathan said:

Honestly I hope I'm wrong but my instinct is that Norrie will win < 10 games in the semi final. 6-3 6-2 6-4 or something along those lines.

Get money on that 

[Binos]

25 minutes ago, Loki said:

No he wasn't.  This guy beat Murray in five hours in Australia and then went six hours against Nadal.  You think the fittest athlete on the planet is spent after 4.5 hours on the court?  It is just an excuse used to try and explain Murray's better overall play on the day.

Kyrgios beat Djokovic twice in the year he got beat by Istomin, Cechinato and  Berdych in the slams.  The year with the elbow issues before finally opting for the surgery.  Kyrgios will get chopped up similarly to the way Murray dismantled him in 2016.  Kyrgios' only chance is if Norrie beats Novak tomorrow.  Murray would beat Kyrgios on Sunday never mind Novak.

It's just a shame Nadal picked up that injury as he would have had a great chance against Novak.

You honestly think it has no effect 

At the time it was the longest semi final in Wimbledon history 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Binos

[Loki]

1 minute ago, Binos said:

You honestly think it has no effect 

100% it had no effect.  He was on court for an extra hour and a half in the semi final.  Murray's match didn't finish until near 10pm.  He had an extra five hours to prepare, and Murray wasn't likely in bed until way after midnight.  Plus it is grass court tennis, far more forgiving on the body than hard or clay.

He has recovered from two sets down in the semi vs Federer to win 2011 US Open against Nadal.  Went the five hours and six hours to win the 2012 Aus Open.  Went five sets with Stan in the semi before winning against Murray in Aus 2015.  Went an absolute four+ hour epic with Nadal before recovering from two sets down to beat Tsitsipas in the French Open final in 2021.  He is never spent for playing 4.5 hours the match before.

[Binos]

1 minute ago, Loki said:

100% it had no effect.  He was on court for an extra hour and a half in the semi final.  Murray's match didn't finish until near 10pm.  He had an extra five hours to prepare, and Murray wasn't likely in bed until way after midnight.  Plus it is grass court tennis, far more forgiving on the body than hard or clay.

He has recovered from two sets down in the semi vs Federer to win 2011 US Open against Nadal.  Went the five hours and six hours to win the 2012 Aus Open.  Went five sets with Stan in the semi before winning against Murray in Aus 2015.  Went an absolute four+ hour epic with Nadal before recovering from two sets down to beat Tsitsipas in the French Open final in 2021.  He is never spent for playing 4.5 hours the match before.

OK, so when a players going through in straight sets victories

And the commentators former players etc are saying,  this is good as will be helping with fitness for the tournament 

They're wrong as it has no effect 

[pandarilla]

I'd like to see women play 5 sets. But I'd include a mercy rule, whereby if a player lost the first 2 sets easily then the role would kick in and the match would end.

Something like <4 games in 2 sets and you're done. But other than that let's see proper matches.

[Loki]

2 hours ago, Binos said:

OK, so when a players going through in straight sets victories

And the commentators former players etc are saying,  this is good as will be helping with fitness for the tournament 

They're wrong as it has no effect 

When it comes to Novak Djokovic, yes they are.  The man is quite possibly the fittest sports person in history, certainly the fittest tennis has ever seen.  He has proven time after time that he can fully recover from long matches to win in his next match.  A 4.5 hour match on grass isn't going to leave him spent now, never mind when he was 25.

I can't recall commentators claiming that Novak was over played or is tired.  Possibly the only time would have been last year's US Open.  But he was 34 and his powers of recuperation should be on the wane by now.

Now I am not saying that other players by being on court for longer than their opponent will not have an affect on their abilities to perform at the highest level manageable from a fitness perspective.  What I am saying is that it doesn't affect Novak in the slightest, especially when he was in his peak years 2011-2016 and even more recently he has shown that he can still recover from long matches to win.

So, no he wasn't spent physically in 2013.

[Loki]

2 hours ago, pandarilla said:

I'd like to see women play 5 sets. But I'd include a mercy rule, whereby if a player lost the first 2 sets easily then the role would kick in and the match would end.

Something like <4 games in 2 sets and you're done. But other than that let's see proper matches.

That could happen in the future, although your mercy rule should go straight in the bin.  The epic final between Edberg and Becker would have been stopped.  Gaston Gaudio would not be a slam champion.  Danil Medvedev's father Andrei would be a Slam champion, and Andre Agassi would still be waiting for that Career Slam.  You either play best of five or you don't.

We could see the earlier rounds in Men's going to best of three and fourth round onwards being best of five in both men's and women's.  The main issue with it is a logistical one rather than any unequal treatment.  There would be 112 matches on the women's side in the first three rounds needing extra court time to implement that.  Wimbledon is likely the only one to be available to fit it all in, but it would mean putting ,matches on the practice courts.

[Acastus]

On 06/07/2022 at 19:51, IggyStooge said:

There was one point where Castlebot's circuitry actually seemed to freeze and he went on a wee loop of Nadalspeak.

"He's obviously ailing... he's obviously injured... He's obviously ailing... he's obviously injured."

Nadal's face freezing in disquiet and distaste when was told it was Kyrgios he will be playing was a picture, the excessive blinking and arse-picking halted for once, after awkwardly and shamefacedly narrating his way through Further Tales of Mysterious and Imaginary Injuries #3,769.

So mysterious and imaginary that he had to pull out the semi final. 

 

[Lex]

Must be a fairly serious injury for him to have to pull out the night before.
If there was even a tiny chance he could play he’d have got himself on the court and done the warm up, he could always have retired then if it wasn’t working.
You need to win 28 games to do the calendar grand slam, something no one has managed since Rod Laver 60 years ago. Nadal had won 19 of them, what a pity it’s injury and not another tennis player that’s stopped the potentially historic run.
And spare a thought for Taylor Fritz, who just lost the biggest match of his career in five sets to an injured 36 year old.

[TheScarf]

4 hours ago, Loki said:

That could happen in the future, although your mercy rule should go straight in the bin.  The epic final between Edberg and Becker would have been stopped.  Gaston Gaudio would not be a slam champion.  Danil Medvedev's father Andrei would be a Slam champion, and Andre Agassi would still be waiting for that Career Slam.  You either play best of five or you don't.

We could see the earlier rounds in Men's going to best of three and fourth round onwards being best of five in both men's and women's.  The main issue with it is a logistical one rather than any unequal treatment.  There would be 112 matches on the women's side in the first three rounds needing extra court time to implement that.  Wimbledon is likely the only one to be available to fit it all in, but it would mean putting ,matches on the practice courts.

I had to check to see if that was the case there