johnthebaptistist Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Quote As a veteran, the poppy nazi's do my head in. Been kicked off a few squaddie facebook groups, feck if that is the worst than can happen to me woopee doo. Yes I joined, not because of some allegiance to royalty, government or whatever, i joined because i wanted a career in my favoured pastime. Been to some dodgy places, had some dodgy moments, got some medals, chucked them in the bin. It was not my responsibility for to keep you civies to keep you safe in your beds at night or a neanderthal royal family, done it for myself. I knew the risks, death being the ultimate sacrifice, yep would have accepted that quite easily. I'm still here, I do remember, I remember the shit i went through and the friends that i lost. Do i wear a poppy ? nah, just get on with life, you can keep your special dates, your pompous exhibitions and false religious/ political shows. I did it for me and f**k everyone/ everything else 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will humblebrag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Not much of a morale booster. Other people are saying the second faked photo accurately reflects the death toll by December 2014, not the end of the war. Percentage wise, far fewer soldiers died in the first world war than is commonly perceived. Is it not something like 80 odd percent came home?(Granted, with unimaginable damage both mentally and physically) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Why does tomorrows guardian still have a poppy on top of front page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: Percentage wise, far fewer soldiers died in the first world war than is commonly perceived. Is it not something like 80 odd percent came home? (Granted, with unimaginable damage both mentally and physically) Must have been a bit shit coming home when most people weren't allowed to know what they'd been through. "Aye right you fucking coward." would have the response if they'd had social media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Must have been a bit shit coming home when most people weren't allowed to know what they'd been through. "Aye right you fucking coward." would have the response if they'd had social media.I've just checked and it's 11% of British soldiers that were killed. On the point of cowardice I'm enjoying peaky blinders right now - and that issue comes across very clearly. It was widely known if you didn't serve in the war, for whatever reason. Close knit communities back then, and shit like that would stick for a long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I've just checked and it's 11% of British soldiers that were killed. On the point of cowardice I'm enjoying peaky blinders right now - and that issue comes across very clearly. It was widely known if you didn't serve in the war, for whatever reason. Close knit communities back then, and shit like that would stick for a long time. 11% is huge if you consider most of the army was involved in logistics etc rather than the front line. Probably goes up a lot in the trenches. Edited November 12, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 11% is huge if you consider most of the army was involved in logistics etc rather than the front line. Probably goes up to 30-40% in the trenches.Meh. What's all the bloody fuss about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Meh. What's all the bloody fuss about? What do facking Brummies know anyway? Ah'll have em... Edited November 12, 2018 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: The Japanese did the same. They did indeed, the horrible b*****ds, though theirs was even worse than the Germans - their death marches weren't when retreating, they held death marches just to kill prisoners. That was a war that needed won as quickly as possible. Japanese war revisionism is yet another nauseating sin of the 21st century. 30 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Percentage wise, far fewer soldiers died in the first world war than is commonly perceived. Is it not something like 80 odd percent came home? (Granted, with unimaginable damage both mentally and physically) It varies wildly from regiment to regiment, and within regiments. Those sent to now infamous places like the Somme were utterly massacred. I know that picture isn't "real", but it's entirely possible the numbers are accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 9 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: That site has loads and loads of data I know, it's incredibly dangerous, I could basically spend my life browsing that site and others like it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I've just checked and it's 11% of British soldiers that were killed. On the point of cowardice I'm enjoying peaky blinders right now - and that issue comes across very clearly. It was widely known if you didn't serve in the war, for whatever reason. Close knit communities back then, and shit like that would stick for a long time. Is that including those who died from disease? I remember reading that more died from disease that were shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Is that including those who died from disease? I remember reading that more died from disease that were shot. Certainly true for earlier wars and all who died from the Spanish Flu after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Top photo, Cameron Highlanders, 1914. Bottom photo. Cameron Highlanders, 1918. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, supermik said: Top photo, Cameron Highlanders, 1914. Bottom photo. Cameron Highlanders, 1918. I reckon that might be photoshopped - sun's in the same position and the trees haven't grown in four years. Also it may be that the photos were taken on the same day to show the 'expected' losses during the battle. Although that's not much of a morale booster so the second faked photo may show the death toll by December 2014, not the end of the war. Percentage wise, far fewer actually died than is commonly perceived. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, The OP said: I reckon that might be photoshopped - sun's in the same position and the trees haven't grown in four years. Also it may be that the photos were taken on the same day to show the 'expected' losses during the battle. Although that's not much of a morale booster so the second faked photo may show the death toll by December 2014, not the end of the war. Percentage wise, far fewer actually died than is commonly perceived. That is a disgraceful thing to say about those brave boys in those photos. Especially the one at the front who stood in that exact same place and position for four years waiting for the survivors to return and join him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Is it not more likely it's a full regiment photo then this one of a bunch of other photos featuring just the offices or just the.. I dunno.. bagpipers or something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Certainly true for earlier wars and all who died from the Spanish Flu after.IIRC WWI was (one of) the first war(s) where disease wasn't the biggest killer. Although you could point to the Spanish Flu and maybe question that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: IIRC WWI was (one of) the first war(s) where disease wasn't the biggest killer. Although you could point to the Spanish Flu and maybe question that. That would be the Spanish Flu Inquisition... Edited November 13, 2018 by Jacksgranda 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 That would be the Spanish Flu Inquisition...I wasn't expecting that. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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