Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 8 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: But it's the mindset of the participants that's the problem. I'm struggling to think of an issue that could appear on Facebook or anywhere else that would make me think "what I really need to do is meet the guys, drive to another town or city, smash up shops, throw bins and bricks at the polis and set fire to a hotel". Maybe the media have something to do with it. Force feeding these f**kers and stoking this kind of shite. The attitude and mind set is undoubtedly handed down from mail/sun etc reader to mail/sun reader. Breaking that chain within communities is nigh on impossible but the media are highly complicit in mindset. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Media continuing today with “far right protestors clash with Muslims” Pure Islamophobia. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Maybe the media have something to do with it. Force feeding these f**kers and stoking this kind of shite. The attitude and mind set is undoubtedly handed down from mail/sun etc reader to mail/sun reader. Breaking that chain within communities is nigh on impossible but the media are highly complicit in mindset. I doubt many of these young men are Heil readers - they are pretty much playing to the racislist prejudices of older voters. Edited August 5 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 24 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: It doesnt take a high level of intelligence to organise a group of folk to go out smash windows and set fire to stuff. Not in the age of social media. Yes and it's been underestimated. They have also quite clearly learned from other incidents, such as the riot in Leeds, ensuring they can have the right numbers and tactics to cause the police enough difficulty that they have no choice but to back off them a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 10 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: But it's the mindset of the participants that's the problem. I'm struggling to think of an issue that could appear on Facebook or anywhere else that would make me think "what I really need to do is meet the guys, drive to another town or city, smash up shops, throw bins and bricks at the polis and set fire to a hotel". It's not you messages like that are aimed at. Which message do you think brought out the people in the video? Let's reclaim Britain for the white race. Or Lush and Greggs have had the Windows put in and everything is free. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) Folk towards the bottom of the pile are desperate for a scapegoat, and this spark is an excuse to vent their anger in a way that satisfies their tribalistic tendencies. Bills are up whilst the 'left behind' genuinely believe that 'the swarm' are getting a better standard of life at their expense, this being after their entitled football team has come up short against those pesky foreigners yet again. Working England is a post-Imperial cesspit, and the party-flipping natives can't deal with the idea that they might be complicit. Edited August 5 by Hedgecutter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) Interesting set of tweets analysing the bots that are spreading misinformation regards Starmer and Reform. Edited August 5 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 20 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I doubt many of these young men are Heil readers - they are pretty much playing to the racislist prejudices of older voters. You don’t have to be a reader to see this stuff plastered across social media every day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Another set if tweets about Robinson's links to Russia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 A final set of tweets analysing the initial responses to Southport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 32 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Maybe the media have something to do with it. Force feeding these f**kers and stoking this kind of shite. The attitude and mind set is undoubtedly handed down from mail/sun etc reader to mail/sun reader. Breaking that chain within communities is nigh on impossible but the media are highly complicit in mindset. You’ve made a very important point here, that paper and the likes of the sun etc have whipped up hatred for decades, huzzah for blackshirts etc and calling the most important legal minds in this country traitors for upholding the law. The new and old media has been infiltrated to a point where they have taken advantage of a perfect storm of economic and social factors and spawned this. 18 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said: Folk towards the bottom of the pile are desperate for a scapegoat, and this spark is an excuse to vent their anger in a way that satisfies their tribalistic tendencies. Bills are up whilst the 'left behind' genuinely believe that 'the swarm' are getting a better standard of life at their expense, this being after their entitled football team has come up short against those pesky foreigners yet again. Working England is a cesspit, and the natives can't deal with the idea that they contributed towards it. You’d think some of them would be smart enough to figure out it wasnt asylum seekers who crashed the economy, it wasnt asylum seekers who imposed 14 years of austerity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie McSquackle Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 BBC News interviewed someone this morning who was a Director of Prosecutions when they had rioting in 2011. He said that since then we have more smart phones and less smart people. They're basically videoing themselves committing crime and posting it online to be used as evidence against them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: You don’t have to be a reader to see this stuff plastered across social media every day. Yes, that's the point. In parts of the mainstream media and in our mainstream politics, anti-migrant sentiment is an absolute staple. Such sentiment then gets channelled inaccurately and relentlessly via self perpetuating social media feeds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 “Legitimately concerned citizens just wanting their hotel back in Tamworth” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: You’d think some of them would be smart enough to figure out it wasnt asylum seekers who crashed the economy, it wasnt asylum seekers who imposed 14 years of austerity. The trouble is that the point about austerity, crashing the economy, and any others about unions being dismantled etc, are subtle, nuanced and complex. Blaming it on immigrants is really easy, and satisfies certain pre-existing prejudices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 8 minutes ago, Archie McSquackle said: BBC News interviewed someone this morning who was a Director of Prosecutions when they had rioting in 2011. He said that since then we have more smart phones and less smart people. They're basically videoing themselves committing crime and posting it online to be used as evidence against them. They are proud of what they are doing and they want people to see it, is unfortunately the conclusion here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: You don’t have to be a reader to see this stuff plastered across social media every day. Most of the stuff these young men are getting on Twitter isn't the Heil or the Express but the likes of Andrew Tate and then reinforced by bots on their feeds. The Heil and Express stuff tends to be more used on FB. Edited August 5 by DeeTillEhDeh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Most of the stuff these young men are getting on Twitter isn't the Heil or the Express but the likes of Andrew Tate and then reinforced by bots on their feeds. The Heil and Express stuff tends to be more used on FB. It’s not all young men (no idea what your definition of young is here). Plenty Facebook DA’s out there looting and setting fire to hotels hosting migrants. Is Tate specifically anti immigrant? No idea what all that’s about other than being a women hater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: Most of the stuff these young men are getting isn't the Heil or the Express but the likes of Andrew Tate and then reinforced by bots on their feeds. There's also the likes of Talk Radio where the phone-ins are full of tripe on what they call "the home of common sense", which will be on in the background of many a building site / workshop. Until recently I had it on just to hear what your typical 'white van man' thought, and it was quite scary. The presenters wouldn't call out much, but would happily praise callers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Calder Lion Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 11 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: “Legitimately concerned citizens just wanting their hotel back in Tamworth” This incident for me really brings into questions the Police tactics of standing off, recording everything and going for arrests later. Surely part one of the Police's remit is to protect the public? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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