Baxter Parp Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/16/energy-price-rises-help-drive-uk-inflation-up-to-27?CMP=twt_gu Energy price rises help drive UK inflation up to 2.7% IT'S JUST A BLIP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 This is completely normal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Genuinely terrifying that people think like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Genuinely terrifying that people think like that. Think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Genuinely terrifying that people think like that. Nah, it's the number of them that's terrifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 On 2017-5-24 at 09:44, Baxter Parp said: This is completely normal. Somebody has to keep the Dundonians in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, ayrmad said: Somebody has to keep the Dundonians in. We sneak in to Invergowrie on muleback by dead of night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 If I want to read tweets from random thickos on Twitter, I'll actually seek them out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 A quick question.We always hear about the privatisation of the NHS being terrible. If tax stayed the same and it was run by a private company who ran it more efficently with better patient outcomes, why would that be bad?Is it because people think that's impossible or other reasons. It's not something i know much about so genuinely unsure 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 A quick question.We always hear about the privatisation of the NHS being terrible. If tax stayed the same and it was run by a private company who ran it more efficently with better patient outcomes, why would that be bad?Is it because people think that's impossible or other reasons. It's not something i know much about so genuinely unsure If the state and a private enterprise both deliver a service, the state will use 100% of funds to deliver that service. A private enterprise expects to make A profit and, as a service does not provide a back end, that profit must be taken from the initial pot,meaning less funding to provide the service. Simple, really - but ideological propaganda, or Bullshit as I call it - has convinced many that this is a good thing,because reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 A quick google suggests the current NHS budget is £116BN.If this money was paid to a private company who ran things 0.5% more efficiently, the service could be better and they could make hundreds if millions in profit (I'm not saying that's a good thing)Surely a private company making profit and a better service aren't mutually exclusive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 A quick google suggests the current NHS budget is £116BN.If this money was paid to a private company who ran things 0.5% more efficiently, the service could be better and they could make hundreds if millions in profit (I'm not saying that's a good thing)Surely a private company making profit and a better service aren't mutually exclusive? NHS is never funded to the level it should be. Any "profits" made should be put back in to improve/maintain the system. I get what you're saying, I just don't believe it would be possible to do in practice and maintain any semblance of fairness to staff and patients. Wages would be cut (worse than now) and services would suffer (worse than now) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The NHS could always use more money. From what I've seen first hand, money in the public sector is pissed up against the wall (and I include my wage!). My sister is a doctor and is always talking about the NHS is underfunded but there is a massive waste. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The NHS could always use more money. From what I've seen first hand, money in the public sector is pissed up against the wall (and I include my wage!). My sister is a doctor and is always talking about the NHS is underfunded but there is a massive waste. Who would be the shareholders? What would they demand? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Who would be the shareholders? What would they demand? I'm presuming the shareholders would be existing shareholders of a current healthcare provider that won the bid. Either privatisation is impossible and therefore nothing to worry about or existing shareholders 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 A quick google suggests the current NHS budget is £116BN.If this money was paid to a private company who ran things 0.5% more efficiently, the service could be better and they could make hundreds if millions in profit (I'm not saying that's a good thing)Surely a private company making profit and a better service aren't mutually exclusive? That the private sector would be more efficient is one hell of an assumption but an assumption that has to be made if any argument is to be made for privatisation.In practise, of course, efficiency means lower front line pay which is supplemented by in-work benefits. Meaning that "efficient" actually means "taxpayer-subsidised". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: That the private sector would be more efficient is one hell of an assumption but an assumption that has to be made if any argument is to be made for privatisation.In practise, of course, efficiency means lower front line pay which is supplemented by in-work benefits. Meaning that "efficient" actually means "taxpayer-subsidised". There's a huge debate about this. Worker efficiency is a bit of a hot topic and we Brits don't score well. See daytime P&B poster for evidence. Interesting article from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2015/jul/13/french-workers-more-productive-brits 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 NHS was recently rated most efficient health service worldwide I believe? Could do better but privatisation will never ever provide the services required to a sufficiently acceptable standard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 That the private sector would be more efficient is one hell of an assumption but an assumption that has to be made if any argument is to be made for privatisation.In practise, of course, efficiency means lower front line pay which is supplemented by in-work benefits. Meaning that "efficient" actually means "taxpayer-subsidised". If it privatisation wasn't better value for money then surely no government would even risk propose it. No matter how bad you think the Tories are, creating a worse NHS with poorer pay would surely see them spend decades out of government 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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