General Politics Thread

[Alert Mongoose]

UKIP currently at 2 councillors, down 86.
GIRFUY.

Shame pretty much all have slithered back to the tory scum. Imagine being the kind of person that switches between those two.

[dorlomin]

 

 

UKIP has imploded, the Liberals had a reasonable night but far from the 2000s hay day. Other wise not much to shout about. 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

UKIP currently at 2 councillors, down 86.

GIRFUY.

Still, another excuse for the BBC to have endless sound bites and QT appearances from Niggly Farage.

[Mark Connolly]

1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Still, another excuse for the BBC to have endless sound bites and QT appearances from Niggly Farage.

He's a stick on for QT next week.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

19 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

He's a stick on for QT next week.

Will of the people, m9.

[Mark Connolly]

7 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Will of the people, m9.

If only the House of Lords had a veto on who goes on QT.

[dirty dingus]

The games pretty much up down south, the nick the tories are in and they still held up. The branch office up here need to realise England and ergo the UK isn't getting a red govt in the near future so they need to hitch a lift on the Indy bus.

[NotThePars]

Turns out abandoning a lot of the things that made you an alternative doesn’t get people out to vote for you. Mad, if true.

[dorlomin]

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Ukip general secretary Paul Oakley has insisted it was not “all over” for the party and has defended his party by comparing it favourably to the Black Death.

 

“It’s not all over at all,” Oakley told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“Think of the Black Death in the Middle Ages. It comes along and it causes disruption and then it goes dormant, and that’s exactly what we are going to do. Our time isn’t finished because Brexit is being betrayed.”

 

[Sooky]

When you look at this in the context of the Tories being in government for 8 years and Labour having a surprisingly great election a year ago, it’s hard to not view these locals as a total failure for the Labour Party.

 

Don’t appear to have wrestled any of the Tory-led councils in London away from them, despite talking up their chances for months. 

 

Barnet, in North London, went from NOC to Conservative, which has a large Jewish population and I think shows that the anti-semitism scandal has really hit through. 

[ICTChris]

9 hours ago, NotThePars said:

The Labour council leader appears to be a psychopath judging by Twitter people from around there.

I'm sure the leader of Sunderland council killed someone who broke into his pub a few years ago?

[NotThePars]

I'm sure the leader of Sunderland council killed someone who broke into his pub a few years ago?

 

Yeah that’s what I saw people referring to. Apparently he was known as “stabber” which reminds me of Karl Pilkington describing the people on the estate he grew up in.

 

Looking at the results it appears as if Labour and the Lib Dems have had a fair whack of success at the direct expense of the Conservatives who have recovered some ground from hoovering up all the UKIP councillors. While you can’t read too much into council elections which have a small turnout IMO it’s further evidence alongside Grenfell, the “hostile climate”, Windrush and Brexit that the Tories are fighting an explicitly anti-immigration, anti-black, anti-muslim, strategy that’s being rewarded by the electorate. Not at all hopeful of Labour’s response to this when you have David Lammy and Diane Abbott, two normally excellent MPs on immigration, taking great pains to emphasise the differences between “illegal” and “legal” immigrants rather than making a more positive case for all the people that come to our country by normal channels or otherwise.

[Fullerene]

2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Still, another excuse for the BBC to have endless sound bites and QT appearances from Niggly Farage.

Yup and you can be sure he say something like:

"Look, this is only to be expected - everything is still going to plan."

Why vote for the puppet master when the Tories are doing everything he wants them to do?

[doulikefish]

Pretty mad they use first past the post in the council elections down south.In an area of london tories got 41.8% of the vote and labour 40.8% of the vote and that equates to 41 to 20 councillors and in another result in Rotherham Labour got 77% and the tories got 22% and labour get all 71 councillors.Its all a bit daft

[Paco]

Local elections are never a good indicator but I would’ve thought the elderly would still turn out in numbers, and the young in very small numbers - as such you could spin it as a success for Labour, no?

There’s no doubt though that the Tories should be taking an absolute pounding at this stage. Referendums do that though, there are people on here who would vote SNP if it meant all newborns were to be drowned, just as there are now millions who would vote Tory because ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

I do suspect if Corbyn hadn’t simultaneously planned the Holocaust and started Stalin’s gulags back in the 30’s, Labour would be romping regardless though. The media is still a massive influence.

[NotThePars]

Local elections are never a good indicator but I would’ve thought the elderly would still turn out in numbers, and the young in very small numbers - as such you could spin it as a success for Labour, no?

There’s no doubt though that the Tories should be taking an absolute pounding at this stage. Referendums do that though, there are people on here who would vote SNP if it meant all newborns were to be drowned, just as there are now millions who would vote Tory because ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

I do suspect if Corbyn hadn’t simultaneously planned the Holocaust and started Stalin’s gulags back in the 30’s, Labour would be romping regardless though. The media is still a massive influence.

Reminds me of the council elections up here in that nearly all sides will have something to crow about. Feels inconclusive.

[ICTChris]

What we can definitely say is that these elections results show that all my opinions are right and those who don't share my opinions are wrong.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

So despite Grenfell tower, austerity, brexit, nhs scandals, windrush, rape clause and their general disgusting behaviour the English still vote overwhelmingly for the Tories and reject everyone’s favourite geography teacher Corbyn. Will this serve as a wake up call to the labour drones up here that its either Indy or yet more Tory Governments? Because if Labour can’t unseat the tories in these circumstances then how can they???

[banana]

48 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

So despite Grenfell tower, austerity, brexit, nhs scandals, windrush, rape clause and their general disgusting behaviour the English still vote overwhelmingly for the Tories and reject everyone’s favourite geography teacher Corbyn. Will this serve as a wake up call to the labour drones up here that its either Indy or yet more Tory Governments? Because if Labour can’t unseat the tories in these circumstances then how can they???

Despite that being an almost entirely bizarre list of things to lay at the feet of the Conservative party, it's almost as if Labour doesn't know what the f**k it's doing to take advantage of such perception.

UKIPs ongoing collapse show how out of touch both main parties have been. It took the rise of a tiny party for the electorate's voice to be heard on a large single issue that neither main party would represent as a major issue. Now the issue is resolved (details pending), the party is unsurprisingly done.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Despite that being an almost entirely bizarre list of things to lay at the feet of the Conservative party, it's almost as if Labour doesn't know what the f**k it's doing to take advantage of such perception.
UKIPs ongoing collapse show how out of touch both main parties have been. It took the rise of a tiny party for the electorate's voice to be heard on a large single issue that neither main party would represent as a major issue. Now the issue is resolved (details pending), the party is unsurprisingly done.

In what way is it bizarre, the tories caused brexit, they continue to make a fucking arse of it, their council in Kensington put the cladding up at Grenfell because poor peoples houses made rich people feel sad, they caused the windrush scandal, unnecessarily implemented the rape clause and austerity. Its literally what they’ve done over the past ten years to name but a few of the more recent disgusting things they’ve done. Its an entirely relevant point.