dorlomin Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Yet those countries are generally pro EU. People make political choices on more than one cherry picked question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: Yougov- Survey of European countries to identify the 2 most important issues impacting upon the EU. Looks legit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Yet those countries are generally pro EU. People make political choices on more than one cherry picked question. Sad to say there were other options, like unemployment, health, pensions etc. I'm a bit doubtful about YouGov's methodology and motives but it makes depressing reading if valid. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/6qz917s9ky/EUIResults_Europe_April2018_Toplines_FINAL_180430_w.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 3 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: You'd get a similar result if asked about their voice in their own countries, especially Scottish re Westminster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Yet those countries are generally pro EU. People make political choices on more than one cherry picked question. Agreed, people generally make political choices that aren’t at all in line with the policies the parties stand for but for how they are packaged and portrayed.Plenty of opinion polls show huge support for Tory policies, amongst no Tory voting Scots when presented without identifying what party they belong to. Yet historically it had been toxic to vote Tory in Scotland. Similarly the massive outcry over the ‘hostile environment’ issue - when opinion polls show high levels of support across the UK and Scotland for the component policies of the ‘hostile environment’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 15 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: In a population of more than 500 million people, how easy is it for me to get myself heard. Dead easy. I just tap the nearest table and say "Excuse me. I have something to say." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 In a population of more than 500 million people, how easy is it for me to get myself heard. Dead easy. I just tap the nearest table and say "Excuse me. I have something to say." That’s one of the reasons people voted to “take back control”. Clear lines of accountability with MPs. Who can name their MEP? Or what issues they would represent them upon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Until then 'taking back control' will mainly be black people getting deported to countries they have never lived in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Agreed, people generally make political choices that aren’t at all in line with the policies the parties stand for but for how they are packaged and portrayed.Plenty of opinion polls show huge support for Tory policies, amongst no Tory voting Scots when presented without identifying what party they belong to. Yet historically it had been toxic to vote Tory in Scotland. Huge support ? Think your generalisation here is wrong,there may be a few policies which maybe supported by a few non Tory voting Scots. It is toxic to vote for the Torus,because of their policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Huge support ? Think your generalisation here is wrong,there may be a few policies which maybe supported by a few non Tory voting Scots. It is toxic to vote for the Torys,because of their policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Figures from COSLA and Scottish Government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 The presentation of a policy is a completely different proposition to the implementation. Universal credit for example,in theory sounds a fair idea, the reality is clear to see. Restricting child benefit to 2 kids will appeal to some,until the reality of implementation. As i said, voting Tory in Scotland especially, is toxic,because they are toxic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 That’s one of the reasons people voted to “take back control”. Clear lines of accountability with MPs. Who can name their MEP? Or what issues they would represent them upon? Did you vote for Brexit out of interest TCK? This may be a silly question... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Did you vote for Brexit out of interest TCK? This may be a silly question... I spoiled my paper. I had/have no time for the EU and it’s lack of accountability, lack of democracy and imposition of policy to benefit a few nations. However, I didn’t want to give a free reign to those who wanted to leave so they can discard all sorts of workers rights and have some form of race to the bottom. My own life is also pretty good and I selfishly didn’t want any disruption. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 1 minute ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: I spoiled my paper. I had/have no time for the EU and it’s lack of accountability, lack of democracy and imposition of policy to benefit a few nations. However, I didn’t want to give a free reign to those who wanted to leave so they can discard all sorts of workers rights and have some form of race to the bottom. My own life is also pretty good and I selfishly didn’t want any disruption. What nations would you say the EU imposes policies to benefit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 The major nations - Germany, France, certainly not Greece or anyone else who’ve been shafted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 9 hours ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: That’s one of the reasons people voted to “take back control”. Clear lines of accountability with MPs. Who can name their MEP? Or what issues they would represent them upon? I suspect one reason people might not know their MEP is because they can't think of why they would ever need to contact them. "Oh my roof is leaking and I have noisy neighbours - better contact my MEP." If it was an issue that concerned the MEP, I suspect most people would find that out from their MP first. Similar to going to my GP first about some medical condition instead of going to a specialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 10:45, The Chlamydia Kid said: Who can name their MEP? Assuming you live in Scotland you've got 6 of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 17 hours ago, Lurkst said: Assuming you live in Scotland you've got 6 of them. He's probably got David Coburn on speed-dial 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 for 1 pizza next to be banned by the idiots who govern us. No one has ever paid full price for a pizza from Domino's have they (when not claiming it on expenses)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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