dave.j Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) The Jags Foundation have today published a fans survey, requesting feedback on a variety of issues moving forward I'd urge all Jags Fans to fill it in and share your opinions & feelings. You get the Club you deserve.... https://thejagsfoundation.co.uk/the-jags-foundation-survey/ Edited April 8, 2021 by dave.j 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Completed. Slightly concerning that the whole process is still dragging on like this. Things like a survey, while potentially useful, feel more like time-filler; a deflection that’ll keep us from asking what’s taking so long for another few weeks. The last three questions are completely unnecessary, also. Some people really need to get over this ridiculous victim complex. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, Nightmare said: The last three questions are completely unnecessary, also. Some people really need to get over this ridiculous victim complex. Agree with this. I have absolutely no idea how they relate to the prospect of fan ownership, or what they hope to achieve with the answers to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyG Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Nightmare said: Completed. Slightly concerning that the whole process is still dragging on like this. Things like a survey, while potentially useful, feel more like time-filler; a deflection that’ll keep us from asking what’s taking so long for another few weeks. The last three questions are completely unnecessary, also. Some people really need to get over this ridiculous victim complex. Not if you ask this in the survey! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 50 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: Agree with this. I have absolutely no idea how they relate to the prospect of fan ownership, or what they hope to achieve with the answers to them. By bringing this backup they maybe they think we will all rally round the foundation to fight the injustice we have all suffered 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 3 hours ago, kerly said: By bringing this backup they maybe they think we will all rally round the foundation to fight the injustice we have all suffered God, I hope that's not their thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Nightmare said: The last three questions are completely unnecessary, also. Some people really need to get over this ridiculous victim complex. I got to this point and chastised myself for having bothered with the rest of it in the first place. It just feels of someone wanting their belly rubbed and gives off terrible vibes about the whole process. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) I wouldn't pay much attention to the last three questions in that survey. The only important ones really were about demographic scraping and working out what people would pay to join. Bottom line is they'll be jumping through a lot of hoops to satisfy Three Black Cats/Colin Weir's executors that they're organisationally and financially ready to take a controlling interest in a multi-million pound company. Some of that will be nauseating and pandering, but it will get the shares prised from the effective control of the PR disaster. Edited April 8, 2021 by Ad Lib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerly Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, dave.j said: God, I hope that's not their thinking. Can’t think of any other reason for the questions being included 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 It's not even just the last 3 questions that are poorly thought out. If we go through it: Q1 - A random selection of groupings of fans and a catch all of 'none of the above'. Just your bog standard punter who pays on the day in the Jackie Husband stand could in theory not be captured by any of those groups and select none of the above and they've no way of knowing anything about that person. Q3 - Leading question. They should want to know what thoughts are on fan ownership whether it's positive or negative. It's essentially a back patting "why will we be so great" question Q5 - Why are they asking a fan with no experience of how fan ownership works to pluck a figure out the air of how many members would be a decent number? Even if there's a common number picked out it has no meaning whatsoever Q6 and 7 - Ignoring that there's a 6a then a 7b why is there an option to say how much you'd be willing to pay if you think the proposed monthly fee is too high but no question to reply to with an amount if you think it's too low? Q9 - Fine but I think the priority should be on actually getting fan ownership in place before concerning ourselves with charitable donations Q11 - Cringy nonsense Q12 -14 Already covered as completely irrelevant and acting the victim 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: It's not even just the last 3 questions that are poorly thought out. If we go through it: Q1 - A random selection of groupings of fans and a catch all of 'none of the above'. Just your bog standard punter who pays on the day in the Jackie Husband stand could in theory not be captured by any of those groups and select none of the above and they've no way of knowing anything about that person. Q3 - Leading question. They should want to know what thoughts are on fan ownership whether it's positive or negative. It's essentially a back patting "why will we be so great" question Q5 - Why are they asking a fan with no experience of how fan ownership works to pluck a figure out the air of how many members would be a decent number? Even if there's a common number picked out it has no meaning whatsoever Q6 and 7 - Ignoring that there's a 6a then a 7b why is there an option to say how much you'd be willing to pay if you think the proposed monthly fee is too high but no question to reply to with an amount if you think it's too low? Q9 - Fine but I think the priority should be on actually getting fan ownership in place before concerning ourselves with charitable donations Q11 - Cringy nonsense Q12 -14 Already covered as completely irrelevant and acting the victim Nailed it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Ad Lib said: I wouldn't pay much attention to the last three questions in that survey. The only important ones really were about demographic scraping and working out what people would pay to join. Bottom line is they'll be jumping through a lot of hoops to satisfy Three Black Cats/Colin Weir's executors that they're organisationally and financially ready to take a controlling interest in a multi-million pound company. Some of that will be nauseating and pandering, but it will get the shares prised from the effective control of the PR disaster. I thought the last three questions were probably requests by JL so she can use the findings for some more whining in the near future. On your last point - I hope I am wrong about this, but I thought in the previous presentations/announcements, they mentioned that in fact, our current PR disaster/chairman would remain on the board even after the fan takeover - with the obvious intention of continuing to pull the strings (after buying the club with the training ground money then selling it to the fans...). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, VictorOnopko said: I thought the last three questions were probably requests by JL so she can use the findings for some more whining in the near future. On your last point - I hope I am wrong about this, but I thought in the previous presentations/announcements, they mentioned that in fact, our current PR disaster/chairman would remain on the board even after the fan takeover - with the obvious intention of continuing to pull the strings (after buying the club with the training ground money then selling it to the fans...). I think it had been suggested as part of a clean handover, that maybe one or two hang about for a couple of months to make sure we know what we're doing. But I'd be genuinely surprised if low wanted to hang around. A bit like the murderer helping the police with their investigation. I don't think low was involved directly in getting those 3 questions in. Indirectly, influencing one or two of the cult, possibly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 The rewards question I find really cringy and reflects badly on the guys involved. First of all, the reward is fan ownership. The ibsebtives suggested are so lacking in imagination, it's horrible. A zoom call with the players. Jesus!!! I wish they'd stop comparing us with other clubs. Almost always bigger clubs. Every Club is unique, they will experience different issues based on their club, the league they play in, what country they are in, how big their fanbase is and even what got them to fan ownership in the first place. As I tweeted yesterday. All I want from the foundation is a date. Set in stone when we are getting the shares handed over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K77 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Completed it, no confidence it will make any difference. Curious why the John Lambie Stand was inlcuded in Q1 and not the Jackie Husband? The cynic in me worries this is a feeler for shutting the stand to save money. If that happens I won't be back. That's not a toys out the pram flounce, I grew up going to games in the shed, when it was demolished I simply lost interest in going to games. I could probably count on one hand the number of home games attended between 1996-2011. The same would happen if the JLS was closed. I suspect a lot of the survey responses will be filled with happy clappy pish and they will happily gloss over anything they perceive as negative so I don't expect much of a response to my unanswered question, 'When will Jacqui Low be fired into the sea?'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, K77 said: Completed it, no confidence it will make any difference. Curious why the John Lambie Stand was inlcuded in Q1 and not the Jackie Husband? The cynic in me worries this is a feeler for shutting the stand to save money. If that happens I won't be back. That's not a toys out the pram flounce, I grew up going to games in the shed, when it was demolished I simply lost interest in going to games. I could probably count on one hand the number of home games attended between 1996-2011. The same would happen if the JLS was closed. I suspect a lot of the survey responses will be filled with happy clappy pish and they will happily gloss over anything they perceive as negative so I don't expect much of a response to my unanswered question, 'When will Jacqui Low be fired into the sea?'. As someone who would likely always sit in the JHS, it would be a fucking stupid idea to shut the JLS for the many fans like you. Doubt you'd be alone in chucking it if you felt like you were being pushed away from an important part of the club. Although where else are they going to put that huge Jacqui TIFO? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K77 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, forameus said: As someone who would likely always sit in the JHS, it would be a fucking stupid idea to shut the JLS for the many fans like you. Doubt you'd be alone in chucking it if you felt like you were being pushed away from an important part of the club. Although where else are they going to put that huge Jacqui TIFO? I have been assured that was not the reason for having only the JLS there. Perhaps overly cynical as it's been tried in the past but I'll put that thought to bed. I would like to contribute to a Jacqui GTF TIFO mind you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draw, Lose or Draw Podcast Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Check out the latest episode of Draw, Lose or Draw. Tune in as we review our games against East Fife and Dundee United, preview our upcoming pre split fixtures, can Doc and Banzo play together, our strikers, recent defending, McCall and more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) On 07/04/2021 at 11:19, dave.j said: 3BC will be included in Colin Weir's estate which is now subject to probate. Do you know the terms of his will and to whom he left 3BC? Do you know whether the new owner(s) will wish to transfer its assets to the Jags Foundation? Or are you still a bitter attention-seeker who knows f**k all? Edited April 9, 2021 by Bishop Briggs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: 3BC will be included in Colin Weir's estate which is now subject to probate. Do you know the terms of his will and to whom he left 3BC? Do you know whether the new owner(s) will wish to transfer its assets to the Jags Foundation? Or are you still a bitter attention-seeker who knows f**k all? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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