capt_oats Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Desp said: Is it definitely the Roberto Carlos? I mean, there's at least two Brazilian footballers called Fred so as far as I'm concerned, all bets are off when it comes to names from that country. Dug out the programme when I got in. Doesn't seem to have been a Roberto Carlos in their squad. The Roberto Carlos is Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha (apparently). Edited February 13, 2019 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, capt_oats said: Dug out the programme when I got in. Doesn't seem to have been a Roberto Carlos in their squad. The Roberto Carlos is Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha (apparently). Wikipedia/ my inability to read has ripped the piss out of me here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Any one who says Stevie Woods is the worst Motherwell goalie ever is at it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Any one who says Stevie Woods is the worst Motherwell goalie ever is at it. He was shite but I can think of about 4 who were definitely worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Following on from Motherwell securing their fifth successive league win, Sparra, Busta and Jay look back on the win at St Mirren, look to our next league fixture against Hearts, discuss interest for other club’s in Jake Hastie, Motherwell’s women’s side and much more. https://www.mfc1886.com/mfc-podcast-2018-19-episode-29/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Busta Nut said: Any one who says Stevie Woods is the worst Motherwell goalie ever is at it. Can I say he was the worst for the longest period of time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'd put money on Gobstopper68 being Buxe (Yabba's Turd on S.O.). mainly as he's got more Motherwell footage than probably even the BBC. He's an absolute top man, if anyone is that curious...send him a PM on there and he'll tell you if it's him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, capt_oats said: Dug out the programme when I got in. Doesn't seem to have been a Roberto Carlos in their squad. The Roberto Carlos is Roberto Carlos da Silva Rocha (apparently). I remember Ghana's Willie Brown going down a storm at Fir Park 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I didn’t mind Stevie woods, fair share of howlers but certainly not our worst.remember that time he got a call up for Scotland... I’m sure that happened or was it just Scott howie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 hours ago, steelmen said: I didn’t mind Stevie woods, fair share of howlers but certainly not our worst. remember that time he got a call up for Scotland... I’m sure that happened or was it just Scott howie? Woods definitely was in a Scotland squad at one point. May have only been the one time, but was in as no.3 goalie. As an aside, I remember having a Twitter discussion around the best/worst Motherwell goalkeepers since Ally Maxwell. My 'Top 20' was as follows, based on their ability & contribution during their time at Fir Park; FYI - there's some utter fucking dross from 10 downwards... Also, I'll fight anyone who says Colin Meldrum wasn't the worst goalkeeper we've seen at Fir Park in the last 30 years. 1. Sieb Dijkstra 2. Darren Randolph 3. Ally Maxwell 4. John Ruddy 5. Gordon Marshall 6. Andy Goram 7. Graeme Smith 8. Scott Howie 9. Connor Ripley 10. Stevie Woods 11. George Long 12. Mark Brown 13. Francois Dubordeaux 14. Lee Hollis 15. Gunnar Nielsen 16. Michael Fraser 17. Miko Kaven 18. Dan Twardzik 19. Craig Samson 20. Colin Meldrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Smith particularly is a weird one. He was dreadful but had some huge 'moments' in his Motherwell career, which probably bumps him up. Difficult to pick when you get lower, Fraser, Samson and Neilsen were fucking appalling. Kaven I don't really remember and my weirdly positive memory of Meldrum is him making an astonishing save at Dundee United on the final day of the Malpas season. Neilsen might even shade it for me, his ability to bat balls down onto centre-forward's toes was incredible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: Smith particularly is a weird one. He was dreadful but had some huge 'moments' in his Motherwell career, which probably bumps him up. Difficult to pick when you get lower, Fraser, Samson and Neilsen were fucking appalling. Kaven I don't really remember and my weirdly positive memory of Meldrum is him making an astonishing save at Dundee United on the final day of the Malpas season. Neilsen might even shade it for me, his ability to bat balls down onto centre-forward's toes was incredible. I'm, quite frankly, still reeling from the revelation that Lee Hollis wore two different boots. The lower end of that list of keepers is the stuff of nightmares. I'll give Dubordeaux a pass for his one ridiculous performance against Rangers but Hollis, Neilsen, Fraser, Samson and Meldrum were absolutely stinking. I'd put Dean Brill in as an honorary mention despite never playing for us. He rocked up to Fir Park about 4 stone overweight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Billy Thomson missing from Desp's list. Was quite surprised to see that he made 52 appearances for us. Not passing comment on his performances but he always seemed overshadowed by Dijkstra. Also, Goram's 57 appearances is more than I expected. Edited February 14, 2019 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 It's a good point of debate anyway. I missed Maxwell and Dijkstra, when I first start going Scott Howie was the number one keeper. Looking at @Desp's list, I think all the good keepers (the list until Woods) we would probably find ourselves agreeing with, but it seems the bottom half is where everyone has a different least favourite. For me, Craig Samson was the worst. A culmination of several factors going into that. The fact that before he came to us he must've played a good 300 professional games, but had an absolutely massive goal to blunder ratio was brutal. I remember from a young age, keepers in my boys club were told that if they couldn't catch, palm the ball to side. The number of times Samson parried the ball back into the danger zone was incredible. The fact he lost his place to a loanee brought in as second choice, who all things told wasn't very good himself, speaks volumes. Woods certainly wasn't a great keeper for us, but I guess the blunders we remember from him were stagerred due to his long service. It's not talked about that often, but I remember another episode like the Durie one, against Kilmarnock in late 2000, where he hit a quick free kick off Scott Leitch's heel when Leitch wasn't looking and it put Kilmarnock through on goal. I also remember an absolute shitshow against Livingston the day they beat us 5-1. I would also rate Nielsen as the worst of the Nielsen/Hollis/Twardzik trio. Hollis was competent at the basics of goalkeeping but any shot of any skill would beat him, whereas Nielsen had a wonder save in him but was horrific at the basics. Twardzik I think actually had a good few attributes, was crazy how many one-on-ones he stopped, but physically wasn't there to be a keeper. The fact we are talking about Nielsen up there in a team that finished second is quite something. My lasting memory is of him doing that thing keepers do where they swing on the bar when they think a shot is going miles away at Tynecastle, on for him to realise it was going in, to have to quickly jump back down from the bar and hit it away. Meldrum was never a name that particular sprung to mind as being the worst 'Well keeper, but a quick browse of his Wiki shows he only ever played 114 league games in his career. The Scottish Stuart Taylor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 My favourite Stevie Woods moment was against (I think) Dundee when he deflected away a shot then turned to stroll casually back to his line, thinking it was going out for a corner. Unfortunately the Dundee player got to the ball before it went out and tapped it into the net while Woods still had his back to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I've just clocked Marshall at 5 on Desp's list as well. f**k off Marshall. I know it's unfair to judge him, but that day at Hampden... f**k me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: I've just clocked Marshall at 5 on Desp's list as well. f**k off Marshall. I know it's unfair to judge him, but that day at Hampden... f**k me. I think people do just that to be fair. He was brutal in that game and the Rangers game at Fir Park directly after, but equally he was great in the semi-final against Hearts and on Skippy Sunday. Most of the time I had very little to complain about with Marshall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I've always mixed up Colin Meldrum and Alan Combe for some reason. I don't remember Meldrum being particularly shite for us but I was about to recall a game against Killie when Craigan ran up the stairs of the East Stand to launch a throw-in into the box in the last minute only for Colin Meldrum to basically drop it into the net. Then I remembered that it was actually Alan Combe who was in goal for Killie that day so, really, this post is pointless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, crazylegsjoe said: I think people do just that to be fair. He was brutal in that game and the Rangers game at Fir Park directly after, but equally he was great in the semi-final against Hearts and on Skippy Sunday. Most of the time I had very little to complain about with Marshall. Aye, I know. Lets call it the flipside of Graeme Smith. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Desp said: Woods definitely was in a Scotland squad at one point. May have only been the one time, but was in as no.3 goalie. As an aside, I remember having a Twitter discussion around the best/worst Motherwell goalkeepers since Ally Maxwell. My 'Top 20' was as follows, based on their ability & contribution during their time at Fir Park; FYI - there's some utter fucking dross from 10 downwards... Also, I'll fight anyone who says Colin Meldrum wasn't the worst goalkeeper we've seen at Fir Park in the last 30 years. 1. Sieb Dijkstra 2. Darren Randolph 3. Ally Maxwell 4. John Ruddy 5. Gordon Marshall 6. Andy Goram 7. Graeme Smith 8. Scott Howie 9. Connor Ripley 10. Stevie Woods 11. George Long 12. Mark Brown 13. Francois Dubordeaux 14. Lee Hollis 15. Gunnar Nielsen 16. Michael Fraser 17. Miko Kaven 18. Dan Twardzik 19. Craig Samson 20. Colin Meldrum Sieb Dijkstra (No-one ever spells it the right way, we should just stick with Dykstra ) was by some distance my favourite keeper (and one of my favourite players full stop) and would be top of my list 100% - still feels slightly wrong to say that he was better than Randolph though.... Fraser would be bottom of my list. f**k me though - that list just sums up that we've had only had 4 genuinely good keepers in over 30 years (Goram could be added to that I guess as he showed flashes of how good he had been). We've done overly well on forwards in the same period (that would be some top 20) - but *really* badly on keepers.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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