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Just looking at the fixtures up to the split. Really does feel this season is basically split into blocks of essentially top 6/better teams then bottom 6/'not as good' teams for us. 

Currently in a 7 game run that includes Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee U, Celtic, Hibs. Then a few games against St J, Livi, Ross C, St Mirren before the winter break. 

Come back and a similar pattern resulting in a tough handful of games then very winnable end to the season run of 5 games against what will probably be bottom 6 teams. 

The way the fixture list has panned out - the season might be one that goes up and down like we've seen already.

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14 hours ago, capt_oats said:

The problem Ojala had seems to have been that he did his cruciate when he was in Russia (2013-16). Which in part explains why he's maybe not played as many games as you'd expect.

I get that, but he seemed to make something of a comeback in the 2017 with BK Hacken in Sweden, playing 23 games in that season, but in the two seasons that followed he only managed six, then three league games. All while he's never gone a full calendar year without a Finland cap since he got his first.

He must just be very injury prone, but the quality he has outweighs the games he'll inevitably miss.

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2 hours ago, crazylegsjoe_mfc said:

I get that, but he seemed to make something of a comeback in the 2017 with BK Hacken in Sweden, playing 23 games in that season, but in the two seasons that followed he only managed six, then three league games. All while he's never gone a full calendar year without a Finland cap since he got his first.

He must just be very injury prone, but the quality he has outweighs the games he'll inevitably miss.

Aye, I wasn't disagreeing with your general point. It's just that a cruciate injury will account for a chunk of those missed games in relation to his overall career. Similarly, it's worth pointing out that that injury was 5 or 6 years ago now.

To speak to the point @'WellDel made, last season before he joined us he made 25 appearances for Vejle BK (23 in the league) with 6 international appearances on top of that and 19/20 he made also made 25 club appearances and completed the 90 in the majority of them.

For context it looks like the Danish Superliga is a 32 game season to complete. Home and away then split after 22 games. So the bold Juhani missed 9 league games last season either through suspension or injury with a couple as an unused sub. That feels quite normal tbh but again, no disagreement with your broad point. I'd guess that there's a trade off somewhere.

There's also a positive conversation to be had about Ricki Lamie, I thought he was smashing when he came on at the weekend and it feels like this is actually the squad role he was meant to have when we signed him rather than having him as a starting centre back. Or perhaps more accurately it suits him better.

He seems to have become far more steady since Alexander came in compared to his form while Robinson was here.

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Sorry for the B2B posts from me on this page.

I know yer man @RandomGuy. mentioned this when we were first publicly linked with him but it's interesting to see where Tierney plays for Bohemians vs how we set up.

It mostly looks like he's slightly advanced in a midfield 3 but not quite a #10. You'd imagine that's a 433 with 2 sitters but not quite a 4231.

At the moment do we have anyone who plays in this sort of area? I don't think we do. Big ask for a 20 year old to come over and step in to run the show but still...

Anyway, these are the team lines from the most recent games he's played (more in the spoiler).

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I know there's been a criticism about our midfield recruitment this summer but tbf there wasn't really any midfield recruitment beyond Slattery and Goss so it feels like a conscious decision not to just bring in randoms if we missed out on actual targets (and from Alexander's chat the other week Tierney was someone we were keen to bring in through the summer).

Looking at the contract expiries of all our current midfield options:

2022 - Grimshaw, Maguire, O'Hara, Crawford, Donnelly, Parker
2023 - Cornelius, Goss
2024 - Slattery

So 6 or our 9 midfielders are OOC in 22 (Parker's obvs in January at that). Hmmmmm...

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I am happy for Tierney to sit at the ‘D’ and slot 20 yarders home.  The goals are massive, the exact dimensions of my living room wall.  Ive never understood why so few goals are scored, if the keeper is standing at the wall unit it must be easy to slot the ball in at the TV.  (I realise my couch, and therefore my viewpoint, is inside the six yard box.)

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1 hour ago, ropy said:

I am happy for Tierney to sit at the ‘D’ and slot 20 yarders home.  The goals are massive, the exact dimensions of my living room wall.  Ive never understood why so few goals are scored, if the keeper is standing at the wall unit it must be easy to slot the ball in at the TV.  (I realise my couch, and therefore my viewpoint, is inside the six yard box.)

 I've always felt similar about players who miss the target with a penalty. If you're a professional footballer and you can't stand 10 yards from the side of a bus and hit it with a ball, that should be a week's wages.

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33 minutes ago, Al B said:

 I've always felt similar about players who miss the target with a penalty. If you're a professional footballer and you can't stand 10 yards from the side of a bus and hit it with a ball, that should be a week's wages.

My issue is with players who put balls over the bar, the goals are on the ground, you can’t score up there 

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 I've always felt similar about players who miss the target with a penalty. If you're a professional footballer and you can't stand 10 yards from the side of a bus and hit it with a ball, that should be a week's wages.
I've had a crappy day at work so excuse the pettiness but what if you were 12 yards away? [emoji848]

Anyway, can Tierney do a job when we bring him on at centre half?
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I'd stop short of calling this interesting but it feels like precisely the same conversation Alexander had with Watt a couple of weeks ago and got goals out of him as well.

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It's the second and third time Van Veen has netted against Aberdeen this season, playing through the centre of Alexander's 4-3-3. He believes that suits his game.

“He spoke to me about what he wanted," said Van Veen. "I have been dropped out of the team for a reason. I have been playing a bit on the left but on Saturday I was back in the centre.

“That was my first start since St Johnstone earlier in the season. I prefer to be in the centre and I paid him back with a good performance and two goals.

"The conversation was that he wanted more from me to get back in the team. I have trained well and he paid me back by putting me in the team and I repaid him with two goals.

“That is three goals and an assist in two games. It is probably a team that suits me the best. My goals were good striker goals."

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2 hours ago, capt_oats said:

I'd stop short of calling this interesting but it feels like precisely the same conversation Alexander had with Watt a couple of weeks ago and got goals out of him as well.

It's defintley a KVV Vs Watt competition to play through the middle. Whether it was by design, or because Tony didn't get his move in August, fair play for Alexander for getting them both scoring. If we could get a system for them to both score and contribute in the same team at a high level like they do through the middle we'd be laughing.

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