Marinello Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 If Mackay is viewed solely in football terms his record is highly impressive. Re his 'baggage' clearly this can't be minimised but surely his evidenced rehabilitation as per voluntarily undergoing a re education programme allows him some slack. Also need to remember that for us the sun didn't fall out the sky when we signed Gallagher . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ill Ray Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Give it to wee Simo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 10 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Aye I maybe should have worded it less flippantly, I just meant artificial pitches in general rather than K-Park specifically. I feel like the club have read your post and just decided to boot you square in the balls for no reason. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Marinello said: If Mackay is viewed solely in football terms his record is highly impressive. Re his 'baggage' clearly this can't be minimised but surely his evidenced rehabilitation as per voluntarily undergoing a re education programme allows him some slack. Also need to remember that for us the sun didn't fall out the sky when we signed Gallagher . THIS... Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing. Q a few saying well I never accepted him. A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison. I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) I don't know if it's a knock on from there not really being any betting markets outside of McBookie but it's been interesting that there have been few, if any, names linked/reported from the sort of managerial pool we've historically tended to look at ie: L1 in England - the McCall/Alexander sort of profile. As much as some folk on here are clutching their pearls about the squad and what not I genuinely don't see that the job would be any less appealing now than any other time it's been vacant. Not least as we're only two games (of which we've won 1 and lost the other in the 94th minute) into the league season and there are still 3 weeks of the window open for a manager to do a bit of business. Are those circumstances really any worse than being joint bottom of the table in January having been scudded 3-0 by Accies? Not for me, Clive. Edited August 10, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillips455 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 hours ago, welldaft said: It would appear to be almost exactly the same sadly. How did the young boys play tonight ? Basically, they actually played pretty well apart from the first and last minute. But in both of those times, they let themselves down and Conceded 2 goals. It's a shame since they were pretty dominant in the second half but it is what it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blink182 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, welldaft said: THIS... Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing. Q a few saying well I never accepted him. A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison. I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. Malky Mackay has shown himself to be a racist, sexist, out of touch person on multiple occasions going by those texts/emails. That's not making a mistake that's a core personality trait. And that's only the texts we've seen I'm sure he'll have said countless more over and above. You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, welldaft said: THIS... Quite the opposite. After his 1st season Gallacher was lauded as our best player and a great signing. Q a few saying well I never accepted him. A man who assaulted someone with a baseball bat and served time in prison. I respect everyone's views and I knew the mere mention of Mackay would prompt a response. What Mackay did was wrong. Plain and simple. I am sure everyone who is naysayer has led an exemplary life until now and made no mistakes. There's a difference between signing a player with Gallagher's baggage and what a management role represents. By Burrows own admission part of the job brief is "representing the club, having the same mentality and ethos that we do about our community and our supporters. Someone who can lead, someone who can inspire". It'd take a hard neck to preach that then wheel out a racist, sexist anti-Semite as your new manager. Edited August 10, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadStar Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Heard some rumblings about Mark Fotheringham... Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 LOLZ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Blink182 said: Malky Mackay has shown himself to be a racist, sexist, out of touch person on multiple occasions going by those texts/emails. That's not making a mistake that's a core personality trait. And that's only the texts we've seen I'm sure he'll have said countless more over and above. You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. I think it would be bizarre if we tried to get Malky the racist - especially as it was mentioned at the AGM how central to the future direction the whole “ethical community club” thing was in terms of reaching beyond our current fan base. This is hard for me to say but I’d rather have Alex McLeish back (and hand him a big transfer budget) than Malky McKay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, capt_oats said: LOLZ Brilliant. Part of me says if our top-flight time has to be up, let's implode properly rather than being relegated by a couple of points or the playoff. Appoint Lennon. Let's have one win at Xmas and struggle to reach double figures. Sack Lennon. Burns bridges and go down with bodies everywhere. After 37 years it's the only way to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallus Numpty Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Blink182 said: You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. I wouldn't want him, but we wouldn't exactly be his second chance. He's had several jobs since then, in which his conduct has been uncontroversial to the best of my knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: Brilliant. Part of me says if our top-flight time has to be up, let's implode properly rather than being relegated by a couple of points or the playoff. Appoint Lennon. Let's have one win at Xmas and struggle to reach double figures. Sack Lennon. Burns bridges and go down with bodies everywhere. After 37 years it's the only way to go. What's interesting about this to me is that it means whoever is getting the job has a completely clean slate when it comes to coaching staff which is pretty unusual for us. For the most part the incoming manager has inherited staff - as it stands there are vacancies for assistant manager, first team coach and now goalkeeper coach. Confirmed on the official. Edited August 10, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gallus Numpty said: I wouldn't want him, but we wouldn't exactly be his second chance. He's had several jobs since then, in which his conduct has been uncontroversial to the best of my knowledge. The trouble with a scandal which is not a mistake but a personality thing is his public conduct is no indication of whether he has indeed learned the error of his ways. Maybe he has become a better person. Maybe he's still the same p***k he was before but with the sense not to write things down. I would - very, very grudgingly - trust the club of they thought he'd reformed and was now the man for us but I and countless others would be far from happy. And with that in mind, kmi just don't see us taking that risk - AB himself implied on Twitter (in a Goodwillie context maybe?) we wouldn't be signing anyone with heavy baggage and I'd be amazed if we change that policy for Mackay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, capt_oats said: LOLZ Not sure I could last two months with Liam Kelly tbf 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezz Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 47 minutes ago, capt_oats said: LOLZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blink182 said: Malky Mackay has shown himself to be a racist, sexist, out of touch person on multiple occasions going by those texts/emails. That's not making a mistake that's a core personality trait. And that's only the texts we've seen I'm sure he'll have said countless more over and above. You don't need to have led an exemplary life to call out his behavior, and whilst people are due a second chance for me that person's second chance should not be at a community centric club like Motherwell FC. Well technically you do not believe in second chances if it comes with conditions. And arguably this is not a second chance as he has already been given that opportunity by Ross County and he has done very well in that job so far. Simply put I think he would be a good choice based on his abilities to manage and get the best out of a limited squad of players. Which is what we have at the moment. Based on his past misdemeanours then I fully understand that many would not want to go down that road and I suspect that includes Burrows and the Board. So I doubt it would come to fruition and as far as we know we are not even in discussions with him. I very much doubt that he would not tell Uncle Roy and very much doubt that Uncle Roy would not have something to say publicly regarding compensation and not wanting him to leave etc etc. Edited August 10, 2022 by welldaft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, dezz said: 100% Tbh, I half-wonder if Josh Morris has held on to his receipt and looking at the small print of his contract given he's almost certainly here because of his previous with Alexander. I mean, reading the statement about Dibble it's absolutely fair enough - the previous manager brought him in, circumstances have changed. Edited August 10, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Not sure I could last two months with Liam Kelly tbf Aldo out with the iron this morning trying to steam the "AD" off all his gear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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