Carse of Gowrie Saint Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: 7487 in November with the usual set up. Other games were 7758 and 7093. Cup game with Rangers having 3 stands was 7855. Presumably we're expected to believe a boycott wouldnt happen again and an extra 2800 fans would turn up from somewhere. There is already a boycott at every Rangers/Celtic match. Season ticket holders don't attend, hardly any other tickets sold to home fans and we struggle to get 2000. Status Quo does not work and hasn't for a number of years. Disappointing that a large number of season ticket holders don't attend these games but that doesn't impact financially on the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, Carse of Gowrie Saint said: There is already a boycott at every Rangers/Celtic match. Season ticket holders don't attend, hardly any other tickets sold to home fans and we struggle to get 2000. Status Quo does not work and hasn't for a number of years. So you accept that increasing their allocation wouldnt increase the actual attendance by 3200, so why did you base your financials on that? History suggests it would be ~400-800 more per game. Why do you think that is? For me its because of how many OF fans we allow into the stadium, and increasing the amount of them is exacerbating the problem and making it worse long term. Making most of your season ticket holders move stand for a fanbase they hate is what will make many boycott, and is aggravating your core support the best plan of action for a club needing to grow their support? A reminded that we've over £5m in the bank, we dont need the money. To get your extra £300k a year income, which you claim could help save us from relegation but also acknowledge wont actually happen if we give away the East Stand, we'd just need to attract another 300 season ticket holders, and increase season ticket prices £20. Does that seem impossible for the 2nd most successful club in the country over the past decade? But no, a club with over £5m in the back, a decade of unprecedented success, a city to themselves and multiple huge brand new housing complexes being built within 30 mins of the stadium couldnt achieve such a feat so why bother trying? Lets just half arse it, try to take an easy option, and piss off our own support instead. I know folk who havent been back since the cup game fiasco and dont intend to, just totally disillusioned with how the club see them as fans. Does anyone at the club care? Does anyone contact season ticket holders who didnt renew? Nah. Why bother? Steve Brown fostered an attitude we were a wee diddy side enjoying a moment in the sun from the very start and seemed to have zero intention of ever growing us beyond that. Moaning about qualifying for Europe and not allowing TW to strengthen to have a real go at it, year after year, because a wee diddy club like us wouldnt make it far anyway, so just enjoy it as a cracking day out abroad then get on with trying to survive when we're inevitably knocked out. Grow the fanbase? We'll make a great deal for kids but won't advertise it (theres still people in Perth who have no idea U12s are free), and when nothing comes from it we'll just leave it at that. Make any push after cup wins to grow the support? Nah, if folk are interested theyll come to us i bet. Then when the support never grows, as the club have never made a proper sustained push to do it, we'll punish those who do go by shunting them out their own stand for multiple games a season to milk a 6 figure amount to add to our £5m+ bank account. Its just diddy as f**k and we couldve been so much more, but its fucked now. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 We already bloody allow Old Firm fans to walk about the East Stand unchallenged by the stewards in Rangers tops anyway... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carse of Gowrie Saint Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: So you accept that increasing their allocation wouldnt increase the actual attendance by 3200, so why did you base your financials on that? History suggests it would be ~400-800 more per game. Why do you think that is? For me its because of how many OF fans we allow into the stadium, and increasing the amount of them is exacerbating the problem and making it worse long term. Making most of your season ticket holders move stand for a fanbase they hate is what will make many boycott, and is aggravating your core support the best plan of action for a club needing to grow their support? A reminded that we've over £5m in the bank, we dont need the money. To get your extra £300k a year income, which you claim could help save us from relegation but also acknowledge wont actually happen if we give away the East Stand, we'd just need to attract another 300 season ticket holders, and increase season ticket prices £20. Does that seem impossible for the 2nd most successful club in the country over the past decade? But no, a club with over £5m in the back, a decade of unprecedented success, a city to themselves and multiple huge brand new housing complexes being built within 30 mins of the stadium couldnt achieve such a feat so why bother trying? Lets just half arse it, try to take an easy option, and piss off our own support instead. I know folk who havent been back since the cup game fiasco and dont intend to, just totally disillusioned with how the club see them as fans. Does anyone at the club care? Does anyone contact season ticket holders who didnt renew? Nah. Why bother? Steve Brown fostered an attitude we were a wee diddy side enjoying a moment in the sun from the very start and seemed to have zero intention of ever growing us beyond that. Moaning about qualifying for Europe and not allowing TW to strengthen to have a real go at it, year after year, because a wee diddy club like us wouldnt make it far anyway, so just enjoy it as a cracking day out abroad then get on with trying to survive when we're inevitably knocked out. Grow the fanbase? We'll make a great deal for kids but won't advertise it (theres still people in Perth who have no idea U12s are free), and when nothing comes from it we'll just leave it at that. Make any push after cup wins to grow the support? Nah, if folk are interested theyll come to us i bet. Then when the support never grows, as the club have never made a proper sustained push to do it, we'll punish those who do go by shunting them out their own stand for multiple games a season to milk a 6 figure amount to add to our £5m+ bank account. Its just diddy as f**k and we couldve been so much more, but its fucked now. You make a number of good points re growing fan base which I agree with although I think your general critism of the way the club has been run is harsh considering our success over last 15 years. However, status quo isn't working either financially or keeping our supporters happy. A full options appraisal is required so supporters can make an informed decision on how we proceed if we are still in top league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: We already bloody allow Old Firm fans to walk about the East Stand unchallenged by the stewards in Rangers tops anyway... The FCU should do a sweep 10 minutes into the game. They want to be like European Ultras? Fucking prove it you wee c***s. Edited October 5, 2023 by tree house tam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It’s £150 per officer who has to attend on old firm day. More for a sergeant. The club gets a warning for away fans chanting their shite. They damage the ground. Theres f**k all benefit to them having three stands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, tree house tam said: The FCU should do a sweep 10 minutes into the game. They want to be like European Ultras? Fucking prove it you wee c***s. It probably is the FCU... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Carse of Gowrie Saint said: You make a number of good points re growing fan base which I agree with although I think your general critism of the way the club has been run is harsh considering our success over last 15 years. However, status quo isn't working either financially or keeping our supporters happy. A full options appraisal is required so supporters can make an informed decision on how we proceed if we are still in top league. Suspecta majority of fans order of preference, if given the option, would be... - standard prices, keep the east - higher prices, keep the east - lower prices, lose the east - higher prices, lose the east ... but would be interesting to know for sure. Ultimately though it feels like trying to decide the best approach to get through a sliding door, which was closed off permanently 3 years ago and has since been bricked up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibbydoo Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Rangers fans can get tae f**k Celtic fans can get tae f**k COYS! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 That's the minutes up from the Open Night. Which of you c*ntos has been bullying players online? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, The Saintee said: That's the minutes up from the Open Night. Which of you c*ntos has been bullying players online? *points in the direction of the banto* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 There's plenty who've tweeted Ali Crawford directly some not so constructive "feedback" as well over the last couple of seasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 7 hours ago, mizfit said: It’s £150 per officer who has to attend on old firm day. More for a sergeant. The club gets a warning for away fans chanting their shite. They damage the ground. Theres f**k all benefit to them having three stands. People forget there's a lot comes off the price of a ticket. VAT for starters. The club doesn't simply pocket 100% of ticket money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: There's plenty who've tweeted Ali Crawford directly some not so constructive "feedback" as well over the last couple of seasons. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fife Saint Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 15 hours ago, Carse of Gowrie Saint said: season ticket holders don't attend these games but that doesn't impact financially on the club. It would in a cup game scenario, as happened before? That was a massive own goal by the board and looking beyond that singular event will have cost the club further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Fife Saint said: It would in a cup game scenario, as happened before? That was a massive own goal by the board and looking beyond that singular event will have cost the club further. Totally agree with this. That very short sightedness even will/has broken the link a little between club and fans. As well as the protracted sale of the club. There will be few fans who don't have the feeling of limbo and paralysis with the club. Nothing is really happening. Stadium desperately needs a facelift, a bit of oompf is needed in all aspects of the club and the under performing on the pitch fuels the lot. I'm one of those ST holders that tends to avoid the OF games and it's less to do what stand we sit in (although it is a factor) it's more to do with the mis treatment of home fans vs 'away' fans at McD. My ideal scenario (and what would encourage me back to those games) would be to give them no more than any other away fans, in fact less. Away stand and bit of main only. If that means an empty Ormond stand and lost revenue, so beit. Club will lose more revenue when fans don't bother coming back for other games when club wants/needs them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Clark, Kane and Diallang Jaiyesimi all in full training this week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Apparently Wotherspoon has been training with us and may be offered a deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, RiG said: Apparently Wotherspoon has been training with us and may be offered a deal. Model pro (apart from his LASK cameo) but has lost a bit of what he had before. This may or may not have been the Callum Davidson effect, hopefully he can turn it on for you boys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, RiG said: Apparently Wotherspoon has been training with us and may be offered a deal. He would be a very good signing for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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