strichener Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Eh? If you release the standings in a ballot before it has reached its end point then you're manipulating it. That, in itself, is enough for the whole thing to be declared invalid. Given that you're a stickler for procedure I am astonished that you're so cavalier. Are there rules in place that prevent the release of the current voting position? Which procedure has not been followed? That Dundee are acting all sevco about it (lacking integrity) doesn't make Rangers Good Guys for calling on the CEO to resign when they had a board member involved in the initial process. Let's stick to the fax here. Edited April 13, 2020 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Eh? If you release the standings in a ballot before it has reached its end point then you're manipulating it. That, in itself, is enough for the whole thing to be declared invalid. Given that you're a stickler for procedure I am astonished that you're so cavalier. Assuming Dundee do the decent thing and the proposal fails quickly, I wonder whether the SPFL would agree to a loan to Rangers. Would the money for the loan have to come out of the prize pot? I understood that's all the SPFL have in the bank - they don't carry any substantial capital. Who would decide whether Rangers are eligible for the loan? Would all 42 clubs have to vote on it? I assume the loan wouldn't be for any more than Rangers would receive for finishing 2nd or 3rd, roughly a million. Will that be enough when the accounts and King confirm at least £10M is needed? I'm just not sure what Rangers' short-term game is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, strichener said: Are there rules in place that prevent the release of the current voting position? Which procedure has not been followed? That Dundee are acting all sevco about it (lacking integrity) doesn't make Rangers Good Guys for calling on the CEO to resign when they had a board member involved in the initial process. Let's stick to the fax here. Celtic fans are parroting this irrelevance all over social media, it's all Stewart Robinson's fault apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, The DA said: Assuming Dundee do the decent thing and the proposal fails quickly, I wonder whether the SPFL would agree to a loan to Rangers. Would the money for the loan have to come out of the prize pot? I understood that's all the SPFL have in the bank - they don't carry any substantial capital. Who would decide whether Rangers are eligible for the loan? Would all 42 clubs have to vote on it? I assume the loan wouldn't be for any more than Rangers would receive for finishing 2nd or 3rd, roughly a million. Will that be enough when the accounts and King confirm at least £10M is needed? I'm just not sure what Rangers' short-term game is. I see the SPFL loan option as something that was set up to help an individual club in serious financial trouble. Not to suddenly finance an entire league programme. Paying out end of season fees due is one thing - putting the SPFL in hock for an entire league through loan deals? Not a hope. As you say, with Sevco pissing money just what exactly would £1m make to them. There is not a hope in hell the SPFL will put in place a loan scheme for the entire league. You wonder if Ibrox knows this and it is all just the usual grandstanding statement shite they cant help themselves with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, strichener said: Are there rules in place that prevent the release of the current voting position? Which procedure has not been followed? This is one case where there doesn't need to be rules. Basic decency says that you wait until the timescale for the ballot is concluded or (possibly) that all the votes are cast before you release the results. 26 minutes ago, The DA said: I'm just not sure what Rangers' short-term game is. Well the 'real' short-term game is to mark time in the hope that UEFA says that the season can be voided with no consequences for places in next season's UEFA competitions and with no need to declare anyone champions. I may word it differently in other circumstances... Edited April 13, 2020 by The_Kincardine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 We'll see more from Rangers tomorrow or the day after as they become more desperate for money.Maybe they'll release their "evidence" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, bennett said: Celtic fans are parroting this irrelevance all over social media, it's all Stewart Robinson's fault apparently. Irrelevant in what way? Did he not attend?Did he vote against the proposal being put to clubs? Or perhaps instead of irrelevant you actually meant inconvenient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 59 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: This is one case where there doesn't need to be rules. Basic decency says that you wait until the timescale for the ballot is concluded or (possibly) that all the votes are cast before you release the results. Well the 'real' short-term game is to mark time in the hope that UEFA says that the season can be voided with no consequences for places in next season's UEFA competitions and with no need to declare anyone champions. I may word it differently in other circumstances... So no procedures you know of have been broken? Shocked that a Rangers fan thinks the only time process are relevant is when they apply to anyone but themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, strichener said: So no procedures you know of have been broken? Shocked that a Rangers fan thinks the only time process are relevant is when they apply to anyone but themselves. You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong.Not paying your taxes is wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong. 8 minutes ago, Romeo said: 17 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong. Not paying your taxes is wrong. He’s right. You need to get some new material. It’s been and done. It’s a long way past tired. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiefan Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Romeo said: 21 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong. Not paying your taxes is wrong. Being a Rangers or Celtic fan is wrong, same team different colours. In a time when even politicians are pulling together these 2 are still trying to point score. Vermin the 2 of them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 He’s right. You need to get some new material. It’s been and done. It’s a long way past tired. Tired for cheating ****.Everybody else, not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are just being silly now. Releasing the status of the ballot whilst it was in progress was wrong. No what is silly is stating that I am a stickler for procedure and then failing to show what procedures weren't adhered to. Doubling down with this insinuation that it was just "wrong" does you no favours. Can you provide any evidence that procedures were not adhered to? To be clear here, I don't think it shows the SPFL in a good light but no-one has suggested that the release of the votes is in any way ultra vires. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, strichener said: No what is silly is stating that I am a stickler for procedure and then failing to show what procedures weren't adhered to. Doubling down with this insinuation that it was just "wrong" does you no favours. Can you provide any evidence that procedures were not adhered to? To be clear here, I don't think it shows the SPFL in a good light but no-one has suggested that the release of the votes is in any way ultra vires. My position was abundantly clear. The SPFL manipulated the ballot. At least that's something we can both agree on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiefan Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: My position was abundantly clear. The SPFL manipulated the ballot. At least that's something we can both agree on. Whatever suits your own agenda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 My position was abundantly clear. The SPFL manipulated the ballot. At least that's something we can both agree on.Did they break any rules?Yes or no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Killiefan said: Whatever suits your own agenda That's the sort of meaningless dross that the half wit comes out with. He'll be along shortly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 That's the sort of meaningless dross that the half wit comes out with. He'll be along shortly.I think Bennett is busy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiefan Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: That's the sort of meaningless dross that the half wit comes out with. He'll be along shortly. Like the halfwit that hides behind a political leader on a football thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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