MarkoRaj Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Quick Google tells me that Jmo is talking absolute shite as usual.'In February 1994, Parliament considered reform of the law on rape and other sexual offences during the passage of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill. Conservative MP Edwina Currie proposed an amendment to equalise the age of consent of same-sex sexual activities to 16. Currie's amendment was defeated by 307 votes to 280. Those who supported it included Tony Blair,[20] John Smith, Neil Kinnock, Paddy Ashdown and William Hague. Those against included David Blunkett and Ann Taylor.'Cross party support vs cross party opposition.'In its decision of 1 July 1997 in the case of Sutherland v. United Kingdom, the European Commission of Human Rights found that Articles 8 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights were violated by a discriminatory age of consent, on the ground that there was no objective and reasonable justification for maintaining a higher minimum age for male homosexual acts. On 13 October 1997, the Government submitted to the European Court of Human Rights that it would propose a Bill to Parliament for a reduction of the age of consent for homosexual acts from 18 to 16'So nothing to do with labour getting into power then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, MarkoRaj said: So nothing to do with labour getting into power then You'll find that this most often is the case with Labour. But they're always happy to take credit for other peoples work. Just like the way they take credit for the Scottish Parliament, when it really had bugger all to do with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Quick Google tells me that Jmo is talking absolute shite as usual.'In February 1994, Parliament considered reform of the law on rape and other sexual offences during the passage of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill. Conservative MP Edwina Currie proposed an amendment to equalise the age of consent of same-sex sexual activities to 16. Currie's amendment was defeated by 307 votes to 280. Those who supported it included Tony Blair,[20] John Smith, Neil Kinnock, Paddy Ashdown and William Hague. Those against included David Blunkett and Ann Taylor.'Cross party support vs cross party opposition.'In its decision of 1 July 1997 in the case of Sutherland v. United Kingdom, the European Commission of Human Rights found that Articles 8 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights were violated by a discriminatory age of consent, on the ground that there was no objective and reasonable justification for maintaining a higher minimum age for male homosexual acts. On 13 October 1997, the Government submitted to the European Court of Human Rights that it would propose a Bill to Parliament for a reduction of the age of consent for homosexual acts from 18 to 16'So nothing to do with labour getting into power then A Labour government proposing a bill that was eventually (after a fight with the Lords) passed that was defeated when Labour weren't in power has nothing to do with Labour getting into power? Your post completely misses the point I was making you've completely ignored the other changes Labour made such as the removal of section 28 and introduction of civil partnerships, part of the legislation a progressive government made which has broken down inequality and we've seen public attitudes changing as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, jmothecat said: and we've seen public attitudes changing as a result. No we haven't. England is still full of hateful racist, fascist, sexist animals. It's young people who are more tolerant. Old people are still letting the UK down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 No we haven't. England is still full of hateful racist, fascist, sexist animals. It's young people who are more tolerant. Old people are still letting the UK down. A bit ironic to rail against racism, fascism and sexism whilst being xenophobic and ageist tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 No we haven't. England is still full of hateful racist, fascist, sexist animals. It's young people who are more tolerant. Old people are still letting the UK down. You're no better to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 38 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: You're no better to be fair. I am. I want Scotland out of the fascist "union". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I am. I want Scotland out of the fascist "union". You're not. You launched a xenophobic attack on the English. As someone who works in Scotland for a housing association who has housed Syrians, I can certainly say that Scotland isn't immune from racist hatred. The local newspaper comments page was horrendous, and it wasn't just old people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 1 minute ago, BerwickMad said: You're not. You launched a xenophobic attack on the English. As someone who works in Scotland for a housing association who has housed Syrians, I can certainly say that Scotland isn't immune from racist hatred. The local newspaper comments page was horrendous, and it wasn't just old people. No I never. I haven't once claimed that all English people are bigoted and racist. Just that there are plenty who are and the evidence is out there. I've also never claimed that Scotland is "immune from racist hatred". There are plenty of unionists in Scotland with English views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 No I never. I haven't once claimed that all English people are bigoted and racist. Just that there are plenty who are and the evidence is out there. I've also never claimed that Scotland is "immune from racist hatred". There are plenty of unionists in Scotland with English views. How can you get angry about racism when you are spouting xenophobia like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Just now, jmothecat said: How can you get angry about racism when you are spouting xenophobia like this? Because what i'm saying isn't remotely xenophobic. Is it xenophobic to say that some Muslims are terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Because what i'm saying isn't remotely xenophobic. Is it xenophobic to say that some Muslims are terrorists? Just f**k off trolling with your bigoted shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 A Labour government proposing a bill that was eventually (after a fight with the Lords) passed that was defeated when Labour weren't in power has nothing to do with Labour getting into power? Your post completely misses the point I was making you've completely ignored the other changes Labour made such as the removal of section 28 and introduction of civil partnerships, part of the legislation a progressive government made which has broken down inequality and we've seen public attitudes changing as a result. The orginal bill was proposed by a tory and rejected by some labour mps only 3 years prior to that. The ECHR had deemed it unlawful before labour did.It's blatantly obvious that attitudes in society were changing anyway, regardless of who was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Just now, BerwickMad said: Just f**k off trolling with your bigoted shite. Great response. You really proved me wrong and yourself right. You should do this every time you're trying to make a point. You're sure to win people over that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Because what i'm saying isn't remotely xenophobic. Is it xenophobic to say that some Muslims are terrorists? You've implied that racist views are 'English views' and claimed that England is 'full' of racists and fascists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, jmothecat said: You've implied that racist views are 'English views' and claimed that England is 'full' of racists and fascists. Factually correct. So i'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Factually correct. So i'm not sure what point you're trying to make. They are not factually correct, they are xenophobic, anti-English and frankly horrible statements to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Pipe down a bit CC please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Cream Cheese said: No we haven't. England is still full of hateful racist, fascist, sexist animals. It's young people who are more tolerant. Old people are still letting the UK down. Which is another way of saying ' My name is Cream Cheese and I'm a bigoted, xenophobic moron....will someone please help me' I would say England is an incredibly decent and tolerant nation as proven by its peaceful, law abiding multi cultural society. The only thing that let's England down are it's politicians disregarding the will of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 4 hours ago, jmothecat said: Ignoring what the public think and attempting to get them to change their mind does not lead to electoral success. The best way to change views is to get into power and enact legislation, like we've done before. Take gay rights for example. When we got into power the legal age of consent was different for gay and straight men, by the time we left even the mainstream of the Conservative party had changed their view and legalised gay marriage. This shift happened because we were in power and could make it happen. I also don't think that people vote just based on self-interest, though many do, and I don't think socialism has the monopoly on those who vote because they think their choice is best for everyone. Tory voters, Lib Dems, Nats and Labour voters probably all believe that their party is what will lead to the better outcome for society as a whole and I always think it's staggeringly arrogant of the left to constantly believe that we are the only ones voting for moral reasons. This disdain for the electorate at large switches the very moderate Tory voters we need to attract away from us. You can't ignore the fact that people have personal aspirations that largely over ride societal aspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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